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The 2025 Prix Jacques Le Marois

Slim said:
On the PMU they are treated as the same horse. If you back either one, you’re paid out as if you had the winner.
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Am aware of that.

Depending on where you look, the result has differing SP on the fav.
 
How long has Sky Sports Racing been covering French racing?

I ask because just before the off they said that Barzalona horse was "well backed, into 9/2" while it was still showing 9/1 on the graphic.

I now presume that 9/2 was the PMU price coupled with the other AK horse?

This should be fundamental knowledge of how French betting works so it's a big negative for the Sky programme getting that wrong.
 
Slim said:
He returned €26.60 on the PMU..
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www.paris-turf.com

Course Deauville The Aga Khan Studs Prix Jacques le Marois PMU : tous les partants, les résultats et le replay vidéo de cette course hippique, les cotes & gains empochés par les meilleurs parieurs

Course Deauville The Aga Khan Studs Prix Jacques le Marois PMU : tous les résultats et les partants de cette course hippique, les cotes & gains empochés par les meilleurs parieurs.
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This is the result of the race as posted on the Paris Turf site. DV was 17/1 on PMU.fr and TLIW was 3.8/1. Scroll down and you will see that DV paid 17.10 on PMU.fr, but only 13.30 on PMU+. That figure of 26.60 must be to a €2 stake, on the PMU+.

What is the difference? PMU.fr is an online website for French residents only, while PMU+ can be accessed by anyone who goes to a PMU outlet, whether on or off course, or who phones in their bet.
 
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By the way, you can see over on the right of that results page that today's going is reported as Bon Souple. A literal translation of those two words would be Good Soft, but the problem here is to translate the concept rather than the words. I take it to mean something like "fast ground but safe". The word Bon only appears, I think, when talking about quick conditions, and I think that "Souple" is intended to mean, in this context, that there's no jar in the ground.
 
Hugely entertaining pari-mutuel debate today - I had to send out for extra popcorn - many thanks to all who participated.

It almost made up for Dancing Gemini getting beat under a length at double-digit odds win only.

Baise Ma Vie
 
Frankel said:
Where next for the fav? 😂
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They won't even attempt to make TLIW into a stallion.Maybe they will give him another year at Ballydoyle to see if they can get his feet sorted out-maybe they will send him to Joseph or would they possibly consider a career over hurdles.
 
TLIW shouldn't be made into a stallion in any case if he has poor feet as genetically he would be likely to pass that on. Likewise I can't imagine him wanting to jump hurdles with bad feet. It's a shame as he has bags of talent but watching him run yesterday its clear he's uncomfortable with them and it must be very difficult for them as we know they would have thrown everything at it to try and resolve it. But as already stated, No Foot, No Horse.
 
LUKE said:
They won't even attempt to make TLIW into a stallion.Maybe they will give him another year at Ballydoyle to see if they can get his feet sorted out-maybe they will send him to Joseph or would they possibly consider a career over hurdles.
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AOB said before the race something along the lines of this being his trip and Simon Rowlands said after last year's Acomb that 7f/1m would be his trip based on his striding.

If they are correct he'll never make it as a modern hurdler. Long gone are the days when 6f recruits won the typical jog-and-sprint hurdle race.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Long gone are the days when 6f recruits won the typical jog-and-sprint hurdle race.
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I've always thought running style is a factor.

I've known hold-up 6f horses just about get a dead 2m over hurdles on an easy track, but front-running milers fold tamely.

Generally speaking, I like a horse who stays 1m4f+ though.

My best friend "Sparks" insists 1m2f is fine, however, and we've had a few "This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us" heated moments during debates about it.
 
10f would be my minimum although I'd want to dig a bit deeper if a genuinely classy miler went over hurdlers (not that it's likely to happen) but I wouldn't be keen on them on a stiff track. They might get away with it on a speed track but between them Michael Dickinson and Martin Pipe changed how NH horses are conditioned (although I did read that Arkle was doing interval training up steep gradients).

I reckon at the higher levels you really need a 12f-14f horse and ideally rated at least 100 on the Flat but some horses just mature later. Istabraq was running over two miles on the Flat off ratings in the 80s, next thing he was a sensation over hurdles. A good example, probably, of why we maybe shouldn't be dogmatic about anything.
 
Desert Orchid said:
AOB said before the race something along the lines of this being his trip and Simon Rowlands said after last year's Acomb that 7f/1m would be his trip based on his striding.

If they are correct he'll never make it as a modern hurdler. Long gone are the days when 6f recruits won the typical jog-and-sprint hurdle race.
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I don't think he is a miler -I think they have taken him to France looking for nice ground on a relatively flat track.Very hard to confidently predict what they will do with him.
 

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