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Not a bad short list Maurice.
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The 2025 York August Meeting Day 1 (Wednesday) thread
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edgt
Senior Jockey
Anyone who watched the John Gosden "Racing Greats " edition , repeated last Sunday on RTV would have taken note of his observation of Andre Fabre supplying a pacemaker for anyone else beneath him.
Gosdens did well to have Rob Havlin ride the pacemaker , he did his job; it was the other jockeys that messed it up for themselves.
Ombudsman some horse despite the shenanigans ; looking forward to seeing him at Leopardstown, ground permitting.
Gosdens did well to have Rob Havlin ride the pacemaker , he did his job; it was the other jockeys that messed it up for themselves.
Ombudsman some horse despite the shenanigans ; looking forward to seeing him at Leopardstown, ground permitting.
Slim
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Can you give some context, Eddie? I found it extraordinary that they couldn’t come up with a pacemaker with all the horses they have in the UK.
Ian_Davies
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As stated on the other thread, Birr Castle has been a good horse in his time, once only beaten a length by Ace Impact, and he still has an OR of 109 (higher than Qirat's before the Sussex).
I just think Havlin thought: "f%*& 'em, I'll have a cut at nicking this the way Kingscote did" and he wasn't a million miles off doing it.
I just think Havlin thought: "f%*& 'em, I'll have a cut at nicking this the way Kingscote did" and he wasn't a million miles off doing it.
edgt
Senior Jockey
Context was Barathea 's run in Jacques Le Marois years ago. Fabre supplied a "pacemaker " for Sheikh Mohammed who didn't do his job. John G considers such duties to be beneath Fabre.
Hence he controlled the jockey by booking his own dependable one, the Sussex Stakes still fresh in his mind also.
Hence he controlled the jockey by booking his own dependable one, the Sussex Stakes still fresh in his mind also.
Slim
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Thanks. I'd love to know what the trainer thought of the ride.
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Terry B
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The Jap couldn't hold it going down to the start
Mr Whatoxo
Amateur Rider
A Dream To Share team waiting on handicap mark appeal to see if unexposed JP McManus stayer can run in Cesarewitch
Connections of A Dream To Share must wait on the outcome of an Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IHRB) appeal hearing to see if the 2023 Champion... Read More
Just appeared on Racing Post site.
Ian_Davies
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The bloke has invested fortunes in racing and many owe their livelihood to being in his employment, one way or another.
But no amount of money should implicitly purchase exemption from the rules and IMO on far too many occasions it's seemed like one rule for him and another rule for pretty much everyone else.
I'm actually surprised they've stood up to him.
But no amount of money should implicitly purchase exemption from the rules and IMO on far too many occasions it's seemed like one rule for him and another rule for pretty much everyone else.
I'm actually surprised they've stood up to him.
Jayhawk
Amateur Rider
There's this in today's Irish Sun online.A Dream To Share team waiting on handicap mark appeal to see if unexposed JP McManus stayer can run in Cesarewitch
Connections of A Dream To Share must wait on the outcome of an Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IHRB) appeal hearing to see if the 2023 Champion... Read Morewww.racingpost.com
Just appeared on Racing Post site.
" Interestingly, respected journalist Dave Yates said on the [ Nick Luck ] podcast that a mark of 104 had been ' offered ' to A Dream To Share. " No wonder they have appealed. The use of the word " respected " is also intriguing.
That seems rather high as Royal Hollow was rated 79 - and won off this mark in her next race - after finishing a comfortable one and a half lengths second to A Dream To Share at Leopardstown when carrying twelve pounds fewer ( mare's allowance and jockey's claim ). I'm not a handicapper, but I was thinking of adding twelve to Royal Hollow's 79, and then another four or five pounds for the ease of victory assuming a base of one pound a length. This would give a rating of 95/96.
Mr Whatoxo
Amateur Rider
The word “offered” is also interesting. I agree with Slim, they should have run him if they wanted a mark.
Ian_Davies
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Dave Yates is younger than me and I remember when he was on the PA racing desk, struggling to make a breakthrough and, it seemed to me, deeply insecure as he bemoaned his bad luck to anyone who would listen (which wasn't me).
I forgot about him tbh and left racing journalism shortly thereafter.
Fast forward many years and, on a rare tune in to ITV Racing, I saw some bloke in a cravat and shades hovering around the winner's enclosure.
"He looks familiar," I thought to myself.
He'd got his break in the end, Newsboy on the Mirror and that insecure young chap had blossomed into what you see today, which I won't even begin to attempt to describe.
Funny old game.
Ian_Davies
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