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The 2025 Arc Trials Day fixture @ Longchamp

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A frantic Saturday to get through yet, but arguably the best card this weekend is in Paris on Sunday.

The meeting is a week earlier this year and features the Group 1 Prix Du Moulin over 1m, as well as the three Arc Trials, the Group 1 Prix Vermeille for fillies & mares, the Prix Foy for 4yos and upwards and the Prix Niel for 3yo colts, all at the Arc trip of 1m4f.

I prefer to think of these "trials" as good races in their own right and the Moulin should be a cracker too.

The ground is currently described as "Very Soft," but I am mistrustful of Gallic going reports.

No strong view as yet but, if there is significant give, I think Dancing Gemini will run well.

The Vermeille is a potential cracker - I'm a big Whirl fan, Aventure was runner up in last year's Arc, but Gezora has had a vintage French campaign, winning the Prix Saint-Alary and the Prix De Diane then put away until the autumn.

I think there is more to come from her.
 
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I reckon that French officials are as capable of providing a going description as anyone else. The thing to be distrustful off is literal translations of the terms they use.

Yesterday’s going at Longchamp was Très Souple, which can be translated literally as Very Soft. I see that the attheraces.com site describes it as Soft, which is no doubt closer to the mark.

But might Yielding or some other term be a closer equivalent in English? Very possibly. I don’t think these going description systems were conceived and agreed at some international conference. Instead each country, maybe even each region or individual track, came up with their own.

Seeking equivalence between them is probably futile, the trick is to develop your own understanding of what the descriptions mean rather than consulting a dictionary.

Another area where an edge can be gained, perhaps.
 
Didn't the french use to give a stimptmeter reading at some point,,which would give a bteter comparison?
 
If any of you remember the X Spaces I used to do, I used to bring on a friend for the Arc weekend who was absolutely deep into French racing. He says the going will be good, good to firm in places. Now put that in your pipes and smoke it.
 
Slim said:
If any of you remember the X Spaces I used to do, I used to bring on a friend for the Arc weekend who was absolutely deep into French racing. He says the going will be good, good to firm in places. Now put that in your pipes and smoke it.
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I remember it, but rather shamefully I never tuned in, I was involved in a few light-hearted Podcasts (which partly used Spaces as a platform) myself at the time.

Duly noted and thank you.

The decs!

Prix Foy (1.33 Longchamp, Sunday)
Almaqam
Cheeky Boy
Iresine
Mont St Michel
Arrow Eagle
Map Of Stars
Sosie
Los Angeles
Byzantine Dream
Betting: 5-2 Sosie, 11-4 Los Angeles, 5 Map Of Stars, 11-2 Almaqam, Byzantine Dream, 8 Arrow Eagle, 14 Iresine, 40 Cheeky Boy, 50 Mont St Michel.

Prix du Moulin (2.50 Longchamp, Sunday)
Marhaba Ya Anafi
Quddwah
Rosallion
Dancing Gemini
Go To First
Lead Artist
Persica
Alcantor
Sahlan
The Lion In Winter
Henri Matisse
Serengeti
Betting: 9-4 Rosallion, 11-4 Henri Matisse, 5 Dancing Gemini, Lead Artist, 12 The Lion In Winter, 20 Alcantor, Marhaba Ya Sanafi, Quddwah, Sahlan, 33 Go To First, Persica, 200 Serengeti.

Prix Vermeille (3.25 Longchamp, Sunday)
Survie
Aventure
Ginalyah
Bedtime Story
Whirl
Gezora
Betting: 4-5 Whirl, 11-4 Aventure, 7-2 Gezora, 14 Bedtime Story, 16 Survie, 100 Ginalyah.

Prix Niel (4.00 Longchamp, Sunday)
Leffard
Cualificar
Swagman
Parachutiste
Bay City Roller
Nitoi
Aftermath
Tennessee Stud
Betting: 7-4 Leffard, 2 Cualificar, 11-2 Tennessee Stud, 8 Swagman, 10 Parachutiste, 12 Bay City Roller, Nitoi, 20 Aftermath.
 
From the France-galop.com site. After 46 mm of rain in the last 7 days it will remain dry until Sunday, when temperatures will reach 27 degrees. They therefore expect the going to correspond to a reading of 3.4, which they term Bon Souple, which to me suggests decent ground with no jar in it.

Point sur le terrain attendu à Paris Longchamp dimanche 7 septembre

Charles de Cordon, responsable de l’Hippodrome ParisLongchamp, explique ce jeudi soir, 4 septembre : « Sur les 7 derniers jours, nous avons enregistré 46 mm de pluie. Les prévisions météo ne prévoient plus de pluie désormais et les températures vont progressivement remonter jusqu’à atteindre 27 degrés dans la journée de dimanche.

Dans ces conditions, nous prévoyons un indice de terrain à 3,4, BON SOUPLE.
 
Euronymous said:
Quddwah can't be 20s for the Moulin if it's very soft
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Best price I saw yesterday was 8s, because I was looking at him + Alcantor as a bit of value. He can win at 8s for me. Granted the ground is soft. I'll be on Alcantor.
I have vibes of Fabre targeting this race.
 
It's "going" to be a ground-dependant Moulin and there are conflicting ideas on this thread about what the surface will be.
 
I'm having a little ew on Eresine at 25s in the Prix Foy. Even without knowing for sure the state of the ground. I think it's a big price. Good course record. A dual winner of this race as well. At the end of the day, it's a trial + some of the market leaders, may not be fully wound up.
 
I've lost count of the number of times over the years some Arc-bound odds-on jolly, using one of these trials as a prep, is held up out the back off zero pace, plugs on one paced and gets beat, connections say: "perfect pipe-opener for the Arc" and not a further word is said.

I wouldn't put anyone off backing anything at a price in these races - particularly the Foy.
 

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