15 Year Old Guilty Of Murder

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Teenager admits schoolboy murder

A 15-year-old boy has been detained at Her Majesty's Pleasure for murdering a boy who rebuffed his sexual advances.

Joe Geeling, 11, was beaten, repeatedly stabbed and dumped in a park in Bury, Greater Manchester, on 1 March 2006.

Michael Hamer, who was 14 at the time of the attack, pleaded guilty to murder at the start of his trial at Manchester Crown Court.

Hamer was told that he would serve a minimum of 12 years before being eligible for parole.

On 1 March a massive search was launched for Joe, a cystic fibrosis sufferer, after he failed to return home from school.

His body was found hidden under debris in a tree-lined gulley in Whitehead Park the next day.

Mr Justice McCombe, sentencing on Monday, described Joe as an "intensely loved member of a close and devoted family".

"You have taken Joe from them," he told Hamer.

The judge said Joe had done absolutely nothing to encourage Hamer's sexual advance, the rejection of which triggered the attack.


We submit he [Hamer] simply did not feel able to admit that his motive was a sexual one
David Steer QC, mitigating

What makes a victim a killer?

Imposing a minimum tariff of 12 years, the judge said doctors had found that Hamer was suffering from an "adjustment disorder" at the time of the murder.

He also said the killing itself was not thought of in advance but triggered by Joe's rejection of the defendant's sexual advance.

Addressing the Geeling family, the judge expressed the "deepest possible sympathy" on behalf of the court.

Earlier Alistair Webster QC outlined the prosecution's case against Michael Hamer.

He told the court Joe was reported missing by his mother at 1724 GMT.

'Lured to house'

Mr Webster said Hamer had written Joe a letter - purportedly from the deputy head at his school - to lure him to his house.

The court was told a second letter found at Hamer's home showed a clear sexual interest in Joe by Hamer. A total of four drafts of the letter were found by police.

Hamer claimed Joe came to his house to charge his mobile phone, but this explanation did not "stand up to examination", Mr Webster said.

Joe was beaten repeatedly with a frying pan, which left him with multiple bruises to the head and a fractured eye socket, the court heard.

Hamer told police he had got the frying pan because Joe had been looking at a photograph of his dead step-brother, which he refused to put down.


Parents 'agonising' wait

But Mr Webster said Hamer's account "lacked credibility" because no photo was found.

Hamer then went and took two knives from the kitchen and stabbed Joe 16 times, puncturing his windpipe in two places and cutting a major artery.

Mr Webster told the court Joe was the victim of a "sustained and savage attack".

Although there was no evidence to indicate a sexual assault the evidence did not exclude one, he said.

After the attack, Hamer dragged Joe's body downstairs, put it in a wheelie bin and took the bin to Whitehead Park, where he hid it in a gulley.

'A wind-up'

When he returned to the house he began cleaning Joe's blood and told his mother the stains on the carpet were caused by a leaking red pen.

Mr Webster told the court Hamer did his homework that evening, an exercise based on the Ten Commandments.

Later, he admitted his responsibility for the death but told police he had set up the meeting with Joe as "a wind-up" - so Joe would go to meet him but no-one would be there.

But David Steer QC, mitigating for the defendant, said Hamer killed Joe after an "adolescent sexual approach" was rejected.

Mr Steer described Hamer as "maladapted" - an isolated and psychologically flawed teenager.

Hamer felt rejected and isolated, which was exacerbated because he never knew his older half-brother, Mark, who died from cancer and did not have much contact with his father. He had also been bullied at school.

"This previous background to the commission of the offence leads both psychologists to conclude he was a young man suffering from a abnormality of mind in the form of an adjustment disorder," Mr Steer added.


I've been asked specifically by him [Hamer] and his mother to express their sorrow and deep regret for what happened in this case
David Steer QC

Hamer told psychologists he lured Joe to his home to scare him and make the victim feel what it was like to be "isolated and scared" as he was when he was bullied.

But Mr Steer told the court: "We submit he simply did not feel able to admit that his motive was a sexual one. He found it easier to give these other accounts."

He said Hamer had only admitted the real reason for the murder in the last few days.

"He made a sexual advance towards Joe who responded to him as 'gay' and threatened to tell others about what he had tried to do," Mr Steer told the court.

"He then tragically responded in the way he did."

Mr Steer said: "I've been asked specifically by him and his mother to express their sorrow and deep regret for what happened in this case."
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What kind of world do we live in? What goes through the mind of a child to kill another?
 
It is a dreadful story . Considering the evidence about the killer having been a victim of repeated bullying I am not sure that it was appropriate to name him .

The murder on the other hand was particularly ghastly .

Horrifying .
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Oct 16 2006, 05:13 PM
What goes through the mind of a child to kill another?
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Only a criminal psychologist could explain it. It seems entirely irrational but I can't help thinking that graphic reporting of murders and violent video games play a part.
 
For what he done to this innocent kid, who was partially suffering a long term illness? and he was very well aware of it too, never mind the max sentence 12yrs or on her majesty's pleasure ...here is a reason/case for the death penalty and or if not! Hard labour for the rest of his life.......just imagine if it was your child who was the victim?

You have that other case ongoing about the arsehole who snatched a 6 month baby from its bath in HULL.. and raped her, a right sicko!! he needs the same treatment as well........but first of all castrate the bastard....He did 3 years in jail after raping a 12 year old a few yrs back, so that leopard never changed his spots after having a jail sentence.....

All the politically correct people,(do goodies) on here will now object to me stating this fact! But we must get these sort of crimes stopped as a matter of urgency and at this moment in time there is NO deterrent, why!!!!.

This soft option needs to be nipped in the bud, with these two outstanding cases as such..

While on the subject of law, but to a far lesser degree you will see that the law with regards using Mobile phones in motors, is about to be changed, (and not before time either) did you see that young girl killed (11) in Pucklechurch by a guy using a M-P he lost control of his car and killed her, he got find £200 its a total farce.

The new law (comes in early next year) is more in keeping with the charge if using a M-P while driving (but not the death of someone because you need to use your phone while driving)

3 penalty points and £60 fine the present one being a measly £30 fine and no penalty points another farce or dont the judicary ever drive and observe what is happening on our roads
 
The judiciary don't set sentencing powers Parliament does .

As for executing a 15 year old no matter what they have done - now that really is dark ages stuff.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 16 2006, 07:02 PM
For what he done to this innocent kid, who was partially suffering a long term illness? and he was very well aware of it too, never mind the max sentence 12yrs or on her majesty's pleasure ...here is a reason/case for the death penalty and or if not! Hard labour for the rest of his life
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Merlin, are you sure that's what you meant to type?
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Oct 16 2006, 08:13 PM
Which party do you need to vote for if you want to introduce the execution of minors?
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The victim was not given a choice to live or die either and him only being 11 yrs old...

And lets see what the other arsehole gets in regards to a sentence.....will they give him a slapped wrist as well?

I thought it was left up to the judges to dole out sentences with government giving guide lines as they (the goverment) catorgorically stated last week.... :rolleyes:

Lets get back to the dark ages then if it means justice can be achieved, as justice is certainly not here in this present time........ :rolleyes:
 
The death penalty should never be reintroduced. A civilised society should not kill its criminals.
 
So serving a minimum of 12 years (may well be more) is not a punishment?

I would like to see Life meaning just that but while the law stands as it does at the moment, the sentence is just.
 
Originally posted by Kathy+Oct 16 2006, 08:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kathy @ Oct 16 2006, 08:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Merlin the Magician@Oct 16 2006, 07:02 PM
For what he done to this innocent kid, who was partially suffering a long term illness? and he was very well aware of it too, never mind the max sentence 12yrs or on her majesty's pleasure ...here is a reason/case for the death penalty and or if not! Hard labour for the rest of his life
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Merlin, are you sure that's what you meant to type? [/b][/quote]
Yes I am very aware what I type Kathy ....................... :P
 
Only a few despicable countries execute minors - like Iran . Fortunately , not here or Wales .
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Oct 16 2006, 08:28 PM
The death penalty should never be reintroduced. A civilised society should not kill its criminals.
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:o The perpetrator was fully aware as to what he was doing? he hit the lad 10 times on the head with a frying pan and then stabbed him ex number of times, then put him in a wheelie bin and pushed him 1/2 mile and dug the ground up to hide the body.... it was not an accident you know it was ALL preconceived ......
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 16 2006, 07:02 PM
.......just imagine if it was your child who was the victim?
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I for one would draw immense comfort and reassurance in human nature from the reaction of the Amish families and community who lost kids to an equally senseless and brutal act the other week.
 
So the police say - but not the judge.

All the evidence suggests that children that commit such terrible crimes are very damaged in some way, by circumstances , by upbringing or by what has happened to them .

They very very seldom come from happy family backgrounds, with perfect school records .

That is not an excuse but an explanation.

And children like that no matter how awful what they have done( and I struggle to think of anything more awful than this murder - should not be executed by the State
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 16 2006, 07:41 PM
The perpetrator was fully aware as to what he was doing
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That's for the courts to argue. I reckon the chances are he wasn't fully aware.
 
Originally posted by Desert Orchid+Oct 16 2006, 08:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Orchid @ Oct 16 2006, 08:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Merlin the Magician@Oct 16 2006, 07:02 PM
.......just imagine if it was your child who was the victim?
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I for one would draw immense comfort and reassurance in human nature from the reaction of the Amish families and community who lost kids to an equally senseless and brutal act the other week. [/b][/quote]
D/O but you must consider the guy that killed them also shot himself, but this guy is still living!! I would have thought this as being slightly out of context and not like for like...................

I also thought that this gesture as being a source of comfort, in the said circumstances....... which are slightly different from the two cases I have highlighted............
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Oct 16 2006, 06:30 PM
So serving a minimum of 12 years (may well be more) is not a punishment?

I would like to see Life meaning just that but while the law stands as it does at the moment, the sentence is just.
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:lol: :lol: You do make me laugh.
 
If you look at the responses to my thread.....its like most people in life are saying, generalising on day to day items with regards sentencing and the soft option.

Just stop and think for a moment, those that have posted. They have defended the aggressor like most people now do, (looking for excuses as to why he should have done it, how can you condone such treachery and murderous acts)

There is no concern for the victim/deceased or his family, they are just another statistic, every one is defending the murderer and what sort of light punishment is being doled out to him....... :rolleyes: He'll be out at 27 yrs of age to strike again....?????
 
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