2 Milers - The road to the Queen Mother Chase (Latest acceptors Feb 12th)

Tanlic said:
Well do some research before you throw money down the drain. Smart ass Luke tells me I am wrong when I say the horse won't run.

The fact is Mullins has sent 2 horses once and had no runners half of the last 12 QMCC and has never won the race as a result.


It's not rocket science to work out which horses he likely to enter? Min. Footpad, Great Field, UDS? and a 5th? I can't see it Sorry!!!
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Too funny!!
 
Altior is the best horse in training so yeah I appreciate performance Frankel FFS. Do you honestly think he'd be less dominant over an extra half mile? So then it doesn't prove anything.
If he goes 3 miles and say wins a King George then his name couldn't be more fitting.
 
granger said:
Does Altior need to win over 3m to surpass Sprinter?
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in terms of raw ability as a 2 mile chaser i'm not sure there's anything altior can do to convince me he's a better than sprinter at his pomp

he could surpass him in terms of longevity and potential adaptability to further distances however
 
granger said:
Does Altior need to win over 3m to surpass Sprinter?
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Too much brandy in the Xmas pud and this is what we get:)

By surpass I assume you mean to be rated as highly.

Considering he's the highest rated chaser around there's nothing he could beat to boost his rating by a stone.

Unlike Sprinter Altior is more of a Sea the Stars than a Sea Bird or a Frankel.

The handicapper and Timeform are creatures of habit and they tend to be at their most generous after a Championship race.

In both cases the QMCC when Altior was given 175 and Sprinter 188

Altior simply isn't capable of jumping 4 out and cruising into a 10-15 length lead by 3 out in top company like Sprinter was

There are no Sizing Europe's around over 2 miles that he can beat by 13 lengths

Had he run in the King George to get a 188 he would have to have beaten Clan Des Obeaux 160 by around 30 lengths.

Timeform might find a way as they always come up with some crackers to create excitement and to help sell racing/their product.
 
tiggers1972 said:
Altior is the best horse in training so yeah I appreciate performance Frankel FFS. Do you honestly think he'd be less dominant over an extra half mile? So then it doesn't prove anything.
If he goes 3 miles and say wins a King George then his name couldn't be more fitting.
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Not less dominant no but that's not the point. I expect 2 and a half would be his optimum trip and would love to see it.
Was obvious Sprinter would be dominant in his Melling but we still wanted to see it didn't we?

Clearly the Melling would just be another step towards a King George.
 
Tanlic said:
Too much brandy in the Xmas pud and this is what we get:)

By surpass I assume you mean to be rated as highly.

Considering he's the highest rated chaser around there's nothing he could beat to boost his rating by a stone.

Unlike Sprinter Altior is more of a Sea the Stars than a Sea Bird or a Frankel.

The handicapper and Timeform are creatures of habit and they tend to be at their most generous after a Championship race.

In both cases the QMCC when Altior was given 175 and Sprinter 188

Altior simply isn't capable of jumping 4 out and cruising into a 10-15 length lead by 3 out in top company like Sprinter was

There are no Sizing Europe's around over 2 miles that he can beat by 13 lengths

Had he run in the King George to get a 188 he would have to have beaten Clan Des Obeaux 160 by around 30 lengths.

Timeform might find a way as they always come up with some crackers to create excitement and to help sell racing/their product.
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I'd say if anyone drinks more spirits than you Tanlic, they would be doing well :)

Once Presenting Percy wins the Gold Cup, he will have his marker horse for next season

I didn't specifically mean ratings either
 
I always like the idea of trying to compare horses from different eras.

It can probably never be conclusive one way or another but the debate is often fascinating.

In terms of beating certain horses with certain ratings by certain distances you could argue that Master Minded at his best wasn't at all far off Sprinter at his best.

I always felt See More Business was seriously under-rated at his best and Best Mate seriously over-rated (but not as much as that old moo Dawn Run). I know which I would have backed in a match.
 
There's got to be some Ante Post value to be found in this race. Most of the other grade one horses will be going to the Ryanair. Reckon Altior could scare them all off and this could be a 5 runner race meaning 3 places ante post could be a nice payout.
Danny and DO, you must have a fair idea?
 
I was of the same opinion with Ordinary World last year maybe pinching a place if ridden that way.
Knew the game was up as he made his ground up too soon!
 
tiggers1972 said:
Danny and DO, you must have a fair idea?
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I seldom get involved in this race until the day unless something posts a rating during the season that's comparable with the ratings of previous race principals. But there's usually one or two allowed to sit at much bigger odds than their form suggests they should be. So far nothing has caught my eye.
 
Fox Norton at 33's e/w looks tremendous value for this with the non runner no bet concession with sky bet. Rarely runs a bad race.
 
Entries for QMCC

Altior stars as 22 entered for Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase​

Thursday, January 10, 2019 - Superstar chaser Altior headlines 22 entries for the £400,000 G1 Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase, the highlight on day two of The Festival™ presented by Magners, Ladies Day, Wednesday, March 13 at Cheltenham.

Trained by Nicky Henderson and owned by Patricia Pugh, Altior is undefeated in three starts at The Festival™ presented by Magners and is going for back-to-back victories over the Old Course at Cheltenham in the two-mile Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase, following an impressive seven-length victory over Min (Willie Mullins IRE) in 2018.

He won the 2017 G1 Racing Post Arkle Novices' Chase emphatically and the 2016 G1 Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle in tremendous style, also by seven lengths from Min.

Altior is the 1/2 favourite with Betway on the back of a very easy success in the G2 Desert Orchid Chase at Kempton Park on December 27, the nine-year-old's 16th consecutive victory over obstacles, further consolidating his unbeaten record over fences (11 starts) and previously hurdles (five starts).

If successful, he would bring Henderson's sixth Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase victory, equalling the record for a trainer in the race held by the late Tom Dreaper.

Willie Mullins accounts for four of the 10 Irish-trained entries, with Min accompanied by last year's impressive G1 Racing Post Arkle Novices' Chase winner Footpad (8/1), nine-time G1 scorer Un De Sceaux (10/1)and Great Field (10/1).

The Irish challenge also includes 12-year-old Special Tiara (Henry de Bromhead IRE), winner of the Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase in 2017, and G2 Hilly Way Chase victor Castlegrace Paddy (Pat Fahy IRE, 50/1).

Sceau Royal (Alan King) is the shortest-priced British-trained contender behind Altior at 16/1. He defeated Simply Ned (Nicky Richards, 25/1) by two and a quarter lengths in the G2 Shloer Chase at The November Meeting but was no match for Altior when fourth in the G1 Betfair Tingle Creek Chase at Sandown Park in December.

Popular 12-year-old Simply Ned, whose stables are in Cumbria, humbled several of the Irish contenders, including runner-up Footpad, on their own turf when landing the G1 Paddy's Rewards Club "Sugar Paddy" Chase at Leopardstown over Christmas.

Fellow Northern-trained Lady Buttons (Phil Kirby, 40/1) is the only mare among the entries. The nine-year-old is three from three so far this season, taking in a Listed hurdle at Wetherby, a competitive handicap chase at Newbury and most recently a two and a half-mile Listed chase at Doncaster on December 29.

Her record over fences stands at four wins from five starts. A mare has yet to win the Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase, with the last one to be placed being the great Anaglogs Daughter - runner-up to Drumgora in 1981.

North Yorkshire-based Phil Kirby said: "Lady Buttons has come out of Doncaster in good form.

"We were delighted with her performance and this season, she has just kept on improving.

"She has always been a horse we have held in high regard. She had a couple of niggles earlier on in her career, but the last couple of seasons have been excellent and she has progressed with every run.

"We have entered her in the Champion Chase. We are still to make a decision as to where she runs next as there are not a whole load of options at two miles for mares.

"It was pleasing at Doncaster that she demonstrated she stays further."

Paul Nicholls, who has won the Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase on five occasions, has G1 Melling Chase victor and last year's fourth Politologue (25/1) among his two contenders, while Colin Tizzard's sole entry is the 2017 runner-up Fox Norton (25/1).

Other notables include God's Own (Tom George, 40/1), who came home third in the 2018 Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase, and Saint Calvados (Harry Whittington, 25/1).

Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase - Betway prices: 1/2 Altior; 8/1 Footpad; 10/1 Min; Great Field, Sceau Royal, Un De Sceaux; 25/1 Fox Norton, Politologue, Saint Calvados, Simply Ned; 33/1 Diego Du Charmil, Petit Mouchoir; 40/1 God's Own, Lady Buttons; 50/1 Castlegrace Paddy, Doctor Phoenix, Ordinary World; 66/1 A Toi Phil, Forest Bihan, Hell's Kitchen, Ozzie The Oscar


G 1 Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase
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Grade 1, £400,000 Total Prize Fund. 3.30pm Cheltenham, Old Course, Wednesday, March 13, 2019. Two miles (1m 7f 199y). For 5yo+ who are allotted a rating of 130 or more by the BHA Head of Handicapping following a review of the horses entered and after taking account of races run up to and including the day prior to confirmation - horses who are not qualified for a rating in Great Britain, Ireland or France may also be entered & such horses may be eligible providing the Handicapper is satisfied that the horse's racecourse performances up to and including the day prior to confirmation would merit a minimum rating of 130 (the decision of the BHA Head of Handicapping shall be final). Weights: 11st 10lb. Allowances: mares 7lb. Entries closed January 8, entries revealed January 10 (22 entries), scratchings' deadline February 12, £20,000 supplementary entry & six-day confirmation stage March 7. Final 48-hour declaration stage, 10am, March 11.

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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] Horse
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] Age
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Owner
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Trainer
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[/TR]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] A TOI PHIL (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 9
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Gigginstown House Stud
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Gordon Elliott IRE
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] ALTIOR (IRE)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 9
[/TD]
[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Patricia Pugh
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Nicky Henderson
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] CASTLEGRACE PADDY (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Clipper Logistics Group Ltd
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Pat Fahy IRE
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] DIEGO DU CHARMIL (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 7
[/TD]
[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Mrs Johnny de la Hey
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Paul Nicholls
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] DOCTOR PHOENIX (IRE)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 11
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Nick Bradley Racing Club
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Gordon Elliott IRE
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[/TR]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] FOOTPAD (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 7
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Simon Munir/Isaac Souede
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Willie Mullins IRE
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] FOREST BIHAN (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Phil & Julie Martin
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Brian Ellison
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] FOX NORTON (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 9
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Ann & Alan Potts Limited
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Colin Tizzard
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] GOD'S OWN (IRE)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 11
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Crossed Fingers Partnership
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Tom George
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] GREAT FIELD (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] J P McManus
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Willie Mullins IRE
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] HELL'S KITCHEN
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] J P McManus
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Harry Fry
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] LADY BUTTONS
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 9
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Jayne Sivills
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Philip Kirby
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] MIN (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Susannah Ricci
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Willie Mullins IRE
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] ORDINARY WORLD (IRE)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 9
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Chris Jones
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Henry de Bromhead IRE
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] OZZIE THE OSCAR (IRE)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Bradley Partnership
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Philip Hobbs
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] PETIT MOUCHOIR (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Gigginstown House Stud
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Henry de Bromhead IRE
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] POLITOLOGUE (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 8
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] John Hales
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Paul Nicholls
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] SAINT CALVADOS (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 6
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Kate & Andrew Brooks
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Harry Whittington
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] SCEAU ROYAL (FR)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 7
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Simon Munir & Isaac Souede
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Alan King
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] SIMPLY NED (IRE)
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[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 12
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[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] David & Nicky Robinson
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Nicky Richards
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] SPECIAL TIARA
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 12
[/TD]
[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Sally Rowley-Williams
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[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Henry de Bromhead IRE
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 28%, colspan: 1"] UN DE SCEAUX (FR)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 7%, colspan: 1"] 11
[/TD]
[TD="width: 37%, colspan: 1"] Edward O'Connell
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 1"] Willie Mullins IRE
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22 entries
10 Irish-trained

Breakdown of Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase Entries by Trainer​
4 entries
Willie Mullins IRE - Footpad, Great Field, Min, Un De Sceaux

3 entries
Henry de Bromhead IRE - Ordinary World, Petit Mouchoir, Special Tiara

2 entries
Gordon Elliott IRE - A Toi Phil, Doctor Phoenix
Paul Nicholls - Diego Du Charmil, Politologue

1 entry
Brian Ellison - Forest Bihan
Pat Fahy IRE - Castlegrace Paddy
Harry Fry - Hell's Kitchen
Tom George - God's Own
Nicky Henderson - Altior
Philip Hobbs - Ozzie The Oscar
Alan King - Sceau Royal
Philip Kirby - Lady Buttons
Nicky Richards - Simply Ned
Colin Tizzard - Fox Norton
Harry Whittington - Saint Calvados

 
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