2-y-os 2017

360k purchase at Breeze up so needs to be up to this.
Fine article in Racing Post about Coolmore using Deep Impact.
They sent 3 mares in 2013 and 2014 and were at the JRA sales last year but did not buy anything.
Dabirsim, a grand son of Sunday Silence is a leading first crop sire creating waves on the continent with 5 winners from 7 runners, a strike rate of 71.4%.
The top five European First Season Sires according to Irish Field
1 Society Rock 30 runners 9 winners 23.23%
2 Dabirsim 7 5 71.4%
3 Havana Gold 16 5 31.25%
4 Sky Vendomme 8 3 37.5%
5 Lethal Force 22 3 13.64%
 
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Eleanora Duse, do you work at Bells ? Because Arabian Jazz worked with First Drive last Saturday and Arabian Jazz was going easily the better of the pair. Both were partnered by apprentices in their gallop.

What do you make of the So You Think colt? He's certainly a looker and has been looking good in his early work to us. House Edge is another who looks like he will be nice when the 7f races start. What's your views on these two.
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I'm afraid I don't work for Mr Bell. In fact anyone who kept their ears and eyes open could report what I report except for my opinions. I'm sure Colin is enjoying this.

Love your comments Flame. A great addition so please keep them up.
 
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Yesterday, Milton Road was a winner for MAZAMEER.

Today's runners:

Ayr 2.00

DABIRSIM - Tommy Shelby (2.3) 12/1

Brighton 2.15

MAZAMEER - The Kiddie Kid (7.6) 25/1

Windsor 6.00

RED JAZZ - Coal Stock (26.3) 40/1

Pontefract 6.40

SWISS SPIRIT - Flo's Melody (17.2) 12/1
DECLARATION OF WAR - Peace Prevails (5.3) 9/2
CITYSCAPE - Boss Koko (5.2) 66/1
 
Flame said:
What do you make of the So You Think colt? He's certainly a looker and has been looking good in his early work to us. House Edge is another who looks like he will be nice when the 7f races start. What's your views on these two.
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Don't know anything about House Edge (who is the sire?). But the So You Think colt looks interesting on paper. Comes from a fine family (Diadem's no less) that hasn't had a great time recently. Looks as if 8f would be the ideal trip, but may get further. I look forward to his first run.
 
There were no FSS winners yesterday.

Today's runners:

Salisbury 2.30

EPAULETTE - Ojala (18.4) 16/1

Yarmouth 2.15

DAWN APPROACH - Early Dawn (22.4) 14/1
DECLARATION OF WAR - Eirene (28.3) 33/1

Lindfield 8.20

SOCIETY ROCK - Deauville Society
 
Eleanora Duse said:
Don't know anything about House Edge (who is the sire?). But the So You Think colt looks interesting on paper. Comes from a fine family (Diadem's no less) that hasn't had a great time recently. Looks as if 8f would be the ideal trip, but may get further. I look forward to his first run.
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House Edge - Nathaniel x Bezique

So You Think x Aljumar
 
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House Edge - Nathaniel x Bezique

So You Think x Aljumar
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Thanks Flame.

House Edge has a solid pedigree with an Irish Oaks winner in the mix. What is interesting is that the first foal of Bezique is the useful Khalidi who is with Gosden. Again I await the debut.

First Drive ran OK today, finishing 2nd. I'm sure Bell was pleased. Helped by Tivoli being withdrawn but that's the way it goes.
 
Eleanora Duse said:
Thanks Flame.

House Edge has a solid pedigree with an Irish Oaks winner in the mix. What is interesting is that the first foal of Bezique is the useful Khalidi who is with Gosden. Again I await the debut.

First Drive ran OK today, finishing 2nd. I'm sure Bell was pleased. Helped by Tivoli being withdrawn but that's the way it goes.
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That irish Oaks winner was not today or yesterday Eleanora but a solid solid family as you say.
One for next year more than this surely.
 
On the scant evidence we have of Nathaniel, it would seem he is more likely to produce horses that develop as 3yos.

And ha ha yes you are right that Irish Oaks winner wasn't yesterday.
 
Was it not at this June Newbury meeting that a certain Brigadier first strutted his stuff?

Unlikely to be anything as good today but the first race has some nicely bred horses. While Rogue is likely to be difficult to beat an Appleby first-timer takes the eye on pedigree. Being There is by Dubawi out of a Deep Impact mare who won the French 1000G. Curiosity has a reasonable pedigree too and Mutafarrid probably comes second in the pedigree stakes being from a strong Wildenstein family and by that good 2yo sire Dark Angel. One for the future may be the filly Anna Nerium, who is also by Dubawi.
 
Today's FSS runners:

Newbury 1.30

SOCIETY ROCK - El Borracho (26.2) 100/1
EPAULETTE - Rogue (25.2) 9/4

Newbury 2.00

HAVANA GOLD - Cuban Heel (16.4) 10/1

Nottingham 1.40

SOCIETY ROCK - Cosa Nostra (1.4) 20/1
LETHAL FORCE - Flavius Titus (22.2) 5/1
SWISS SPIRIT - Manthoor (6.2) 11/1

Leopardstown 5.45

RED JAZZ - Dowhatisay (29.1) 25/1
LETHAL FORCE - Lethal Steps (5.4) 4/1
DECLARATION OF WAR - War Hero (10.3) 25/1
DAWN APPROACH - Dawn Delivers (19.2) 4/1

Haydock 7.05

CAMELOT - Knight In Armour (6.4) 10/3
 
Timeform 2-y-o ratings for 2017
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Just had a look to see how last year's top first season sires are doing with their second crop.

SIR PRANCEALOT ! winner from 29 runners
DRAGON PULSE 3/29
FRANKEL 1/4
ELZAAM 2/17
MAYSON 5/23
 
Yesterday, Lethal Steps was a winner for LETHAL FORCE Leopardstown 5.45.

Today's runners and there's quite a few!:

York 1.50

MAZAMEER - Furze Boy (26.5) 125/1
LETHAL FORCE - Hard Graft (16.4) 11/2

York 2.55 (valuable seller)

FINJAAN - Holm First (21.2) 25/1
MAZAMEER - Milton Road (8.6) 5/1
MAZAMEER - Miss Mazzie (13.3) 50/1
SOCIETY ROCK - Roses In June (24.3) 66/1

Sandown 2.00

PENNY"S PICNIC - Global Passion (19.1) 15/2
RECKLESS ABANDON - Haven's View (12.2) 22/1

Sandown 2.35

MAXIOS - Master Of Wine (13.4) 12/1
EPAULETTE - Matewan (24.4) 40/1
HAVANA GOLD - Sallab (16.4) 10/3

Fairyhouse 5.40

EPAULETTE - Little Luna (18.2) 100/1
EPAULETTE - Sankari Royale (14.2) 22/1

Chepstow %.55

EPAULETTE - Merchant Marine (12.2) 7/2
HAVANA GOLD - Mysaan (17.3) 14/1

Goodwood 6.05

RED JAZZ - Rainbow Jazz (7.3) 28/1
 
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Just had a look to see how last year's top first season sires are doing with their second crop.

SIR PRANCEALOT ! winner from 29 runners
DRAGON PULSE 3/29
FRANKEL 1/4
ELZAAM 2/17
MAYSON 5/23
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This 2nd season slump is interesting. Probably only Mayson is doing equal to/better than at this stage last year (Frankel is probably the same in terms of wins).
It is probably not a general slump as Dark Angel, Acclamation and Kodiac are 3 sires whom I imagine had strong second and third crops.
 
A couple of decent places but no winners for the FSS yesterday.

Today's runners (as you will see I'm including the trainers of the "beasts"):

Musselburgh 1.35

RED JAZZ - Roland Rocks (10.4) John Ryan 50/1

York 4.40

HAVANA GOLD - Don Pepe (25.3) R. Hannon 10/1
EPAULETTE - International Man (22.4) R. Fahey 18/1
LETHAL FORCE - Knockout Blow (14.4) M. Johnston 3/1
CITYSCAPE - Astraea (7.2) Mick Easterby 15/2

Lingfield 6.50

SWISS SPIRIT - Arden Pearl (25.2) Archie Watson 12/1
RED JAZZ - Shania Says (23.3) Tony Carroll 33/1

Limerick 6.00

SOCIETY ROCK - Mutawasem (30.1) D.Weld 15/2

Leicester 7.40

MOST IMPROVED - Blazing Beryl (24.1) B.Meehan 25/1
HAVANA GOLD - Bucks Frizz (8.4) David Evans 16/1
LETHAL FORCE - Little Miss Lilly (25.2) C.Cox 16/1
 
4.40 York - Arbalet has been working streets better than Never Back Down at home, and has been impressing with older horse Koropick as well. He is expected to win on debut today.
 
Don't know about you but I get irritated by presenters/pundits when they make the comment "trainer X can get one ready first time out". If I was a trainer I think I would be insulted by such comments.

So to try to add some substance to the argument I have been looking at trainers' 2-y-o stats over the last three plus this season, making note of runners, winners, %ages and %age return.

I started off with the trainers who I have perceived to have the most runners

Richard Hannon

2014

all 2-y-o runners 643 (runs) 120 (wins) which is a percentage of 18.7% and 75.7% of stakes returned (level stakes of course)
on their first run 157-17-10.8- 64.6
second run 139-31-22.3-59.5
third run 113-25-22.1-70.6

2015

all 681-109-16.0-75.5
first 166-16-9.6-58.2
second 149-37-24.8-94.1
third 127-24-18.9-81.4

2016

all 626-87-13.9-86.0
first 153-17-11.1-100.3
second 132-25-18.9-105.6
third 109-18-16.5-86.0

2017

all 78-17-21.8-67.4
first 47-6-12.8-34.5
second 23-8-34.8-128.8
third 7-3-42.9-96.3

Just putting the stats up, making no suggestions, just hope someone can find an edge and make a profit. Now for a busy Northern trainer:

Richard Fahey

2014

all 477- 68-14.3-95.2
first 115-15-13.0-144.7
second run 101-12-11.9-46.5
third 84-9-10.7-40.0

2015

all-472-68-14.4-86.1
first 115-18-15.7-82.0
second 109-5-4.6-26.3
third 87-13-14.9-55.4

2016

all 461-57-12.4-79.9
first 98-14-14.3-84.8
second 88-15-17.0-100.6
third 79-5-6.3-62.9

2017

all 111-21-18.9-96.9
first 54-11-20.4-106.7
second 39-5-12.8-37.5
third 15-3-20.0-206.7

That's enough for now, I have looked at Godolphin, Cumani, Clive Cox and a few others and will post them as and when.

If anyone is particularly interested in a trainer - post away.
 
Two FSS winners yesterday; RED JAZZ had Roland Rocks at Musselburgh and EPAULETTE had International Man at York.

Today's runners:

Cork 1.50

AL KAZEEM - Golden Spell (26.1) J.Murtagh 13/2

Doncaster 2.30

DAWN APPROACH - Daffrah (28.3) James Tate 33/1
INTELLO - One Second (31.1) M.Johnston 9/1
VIOLENCE - Quivery (22.4) J. Noseda 5/2

Salisbury 4.15

CITYSCAPE - London's Burning (2.3) R.Beckett 25/1
 
Some more trainer 2-y-o stats, this time "the Boys in Blue".

C. APPLEBY

2014

all 245-51-20.8-87.2
first 81-8-9.9-70.1
second 64-21-32.8-121.2
third 47-6-12.8-31.0

2015

all 235-41-17.4-67.3
first 71-5-7.0-31.3
second 58-16-27.6-125.8
third 41-8-19.5-59.0

2016

all 134-33-24.6-81.4
first 44-10-22.7- 78.6
second 37-12-32.4-91.8
third 26-5-19.2-64.8

2017

all 20-10-50.0-165.5
first 13-9-69.2-234.5
second 6-1-16.7-43.8
third 1-0-0-0

I'd like to ask Flame here if he has any input on an apparently complete change in M.O. this year. Up until 2017 (perhaps 2016 as well) you could just about forget about this yards 2-y-o runners on debut but now they all seem to be winning.

S bin SUROOR

2014

all 124-30-24.2-83.9
first 53-6-11.3-58.0
second 32-10-31.2-80.8
third 18-6-33.3-97.0

2015

all 113-37-32.7-110.9
first 47-11-23.4-94.9
second 30-13-43.3-140.9
third 19-6-31.6-104.2

2016

all 110-32-291-111.7
first 53-13-24.5-108.1
second 24-9-37.5-101.4
third 14-3-21.4-72.3

2017

NO 2-Y-O RUNNERS
 
Those figures more than suggest that S Bin Suroor had reason enough for complaining.

Off topic but their use of Josephine Gordon is/ must be of huge cultural/social interest back home in United Emirates or is it getting any coverage back there at all.
 
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