A Gambling Sabatical

Regarding point 1, I just don't know how anyone can make the game pay without thinking outside the box. That's why people who only back the favourite every time will lose.

Point 3, I presume you're referring to the bad EW bit? I've obviously known the basics for a long time but when you work in a trading environment day in and day out, you tend to know what to do and what not to do. By recently, I mean the last 18 months.
 
Thats fair enough but you really dont need to be a paddock judge or have ratings. At the end of the day there was 22 races today and anyone armed with a racing post and a couple of options of bookmakers has as good a chance as any speed rating, paddock judge or anybody to make a profit.
 
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Thats fair enough but you really dont need to be a paddock judge or have ratings. At the end of the day there was 22 races today and anyone armed with a racing post and a couple of options of bookmakers has as good a chance as any speed rating, paddock judge or anybody to make a profit.
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and also as good a chance as any to lose
 
I'll be honest

Over a period of 3 years..reading all the selections given..analysis given on this forum..I doubt very much if anyone on here makes a profit

I don't see anyone that thinks outside the box..most of you jump on the same bandwagons and seem unable to ever learn from any points made by others

you just seem average punters to me..i'm just an average punter myself..but I can guarantee if you add up all the winning horses put up on here..I'm near the top when it comes to putting winners up...and i'm nowhere near good to make it pay long term
 
I will call you on that-I can guarantee you that my selections on this forum have shown a level stakes profit over the last 12 months.
 
The point of this forum has never been to tip winners. If it was it would be very dull.
 
Gearoid said:
The point of this forum has never been to tip winners. If it was it would be very dull.
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well its hardly for tipping losers is it?

at the end of the day..its no use me reading someones analysis if they can't tip coal is it?

what you are saying is that if someone never picked a winner..you would take notice of their opinions on an up and coming race?..i doubt it.

Like I said..no one on here is good enough to make it pay long term..in fact in 10 years ..I've probably come across two people on dozens of forums that are good enough

and Luke..you ain't one of em
 
The goalposts on this thread keep moving! EC1 - Has anyone of this thread actually claimed they can make it pay in the long run?
 
Del

I'll give you some advice..do with it what you want

main question..are you enjoying your punting at the moment?

if answer is no..well go and do some of your other interests..thats what i do every now and then

even your most fav interest gets tiresome sometimes..so you have a break..so..just have a break

don't be sat there thinking you are odd one out in struggling ..most punters struggle most of the time..you are no different to anyone else here or any other forum

swings and roundabouts
 
People who choose their Battles can win. It could be as little as 1,2 or 3 bets a year.

I am sure there are people on here that are ahead.
 
Gearoid said:
The goalposts on this thread keep moving! EC1 - Has anyone of this thread actually claimed they can make it pay in the long run?
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i think there is an over riding hint of success..yes:)

we all have successes..but we all get good kicks in the bollocks frequently enough to know its a hard game..which every now and then makes you never want to look at the RP form ever again

then after a couple of weeks a few ideas pop into your head and the old grey matter gets interested again

Del is in one of those troughs..thats all...we all been there
 
Sheikh said:
People who choose their Battles can win. It could be as little as 1,2 or 3 bets a year.

I am sure there are people on here that are ahead.
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dream on Sheikh

ahead over what sort of period..forever like?

take your success money..and run..then start again

each time you win a ton..take 90 out and spend it..then work from the remaining ten..that way you will reduce your losses..have something to show for it..it pats you on the back by seeing something you buy etc
 
Gearoid said:
The goalposts on this thread keep moving! EC1 - Has anyone of this thread actually claimed they can make it pay in the long run?
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Basically, we all know the answer to that question, you especially, Gearoid. Seeing the things you see daily you're well aware of that!

However, it must be said that in certain circumstances one can definitely make it pay - even if maybe not ultimately in the long run. In receipt of the right information and the opportunities in which you can capitalise on warm information immediately, you can make a hell of a lot of money. In the good ol' days, I was punting heavily yet making shedloads - now I would absolutely love to have one of the winning punts I used to have daily. One of the horses that really kicked it off was Kayf Aramis - a pony on each way at 33/1 when he won at Bath early on in his career was the start of an absolute golden run punting; I went through a long period when I was disappointed if the winners I was backing were only 10/1! That said, I wouldn't have had that run if not for the information I was receiving at the time.
 
EC1 - The people knox in need of a sabbatical have been some of the biggest dancing on the top of table winners during their good times. Its no surprise to me now that we are getting a bit closer to reality.
 
EC1 said:
Del

I'll give you some advice..do with it what you want

main question..are you enjoying your punting at the moment?

if answer is no..well go and do some of your other interests..thats what i do every now and then

even your most fav interest gets tiresome sometimes..so you have a break..so..just have a break

don't be sat there thinking you are odd one out in struggling ..most punters struggle most of the time..you are no different to anyone else here or any other forum
Good post. Like you have said above,I wasn't enjoying the punting so I have quit it for a while. My point in starting this thread was really just to cent a little and have it sort of a diary for the while...didntbthink it would cause such debate,but definitely has made for some interesting reading.
swings and roundabouts
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EC,

I know people who make this game pay who know a damn sight less than you do. I'm good friends with a chap who used to work at VC who has done very well out of the game and I'd say his form reading and technical know how is a lot less than yours. However, he sticks to what he knows and gets some very sharp information (one of the pointers I left out in my list).

I believe people on here do make the game pay and I know I have done for the past 18 months or so (I can't get a bet on in my own name online anymore) but I'm well aware that what comes up, can easily come down.
 
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If you are betting bad e/w and suspected of working iu the trade you could easily be restricted without being an ouerall winner.
 
Bookies wont be long shutting you down as Gearoid has said, even if you may be a long term loser, they are very quick to react to a big winning bet or a winning run. My mate would be a heavy enough punter, would back maybe 500ew if he fancied one at 12s or more, and he asked for 150 ew on sunday in PP and was told he could only have 50 ew. That was in the shop. The horse was 16s. He rang up his account from inside the shop and got 200ew on no problem. Strange or what. Would that be at the discretion on the manger on duty or would it be coming from head office?
 
That decesion would have been made by their retail trader Im guessing. His online account sounds like they will lay him to lose 5k which is the starting point when you open an account I believe. Hard to know without the exact details but it seems a poor decision.
 
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I thought it was a decision by the manager to basically say, "we dont want you in here, so wel offer you something ridiculous" as a way of nearly offending the customer in the hope they might move elsewhere.
 
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