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Grasshopper said:
How has PP "cut him up" when KS was behind*?

"Carrying the runner off its intended line" is fair enough if the horses are more-or-less level, but that wasn't the case here. All that happened was PP went into ground that KS was headed for, and if we're going to start lobbing horses out on the strength of that, the game is shot.

The jockey on the front-runner is surely permitted to place his horse wherever he wants? Simply taking ground that the second might liked to have run into, isn't cause for interference (imo) - especially when a) the second is clearly behind, and b) the horses did not touch. The obligation is surely on the jockey of the second-placed to go around in that scenario, as KS did.


*Maybe I'm missing something? I watched it live, and once very briefly on replay, and it looked to me that PP was definitely clear of Knight Salute, and I think Brennan confirmed at the Stewards that the horses didn't touch.
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Well, when I’m in the car and the car in front drifts across my bows I describe that as being cut up, so that’s what I meant.

I didn’t think PP was anything like a length in front which how far in front I thought you have to be to move across. Maybe I’m wrong.
 
barjon said:
Well, when I’m in the car and the car in front drifts across my bows I describe that as being cut up, so that’s what I meant.

I didn’t think PP was anything like a length in front which how far in front I thought you have to be to move across. Maybe I’m wrong.
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Pretty sure it's at least 1½ lengths.
 
I may have a few small bets tomorrow but I'm concentrating on Mildmay Novices' Chase to try and add another winning star bet.

L'homme Presse is some tool there's no disputing that with him having now won 5 on the trot.

However there's a couple of reasons why I am opposing him.

To go to Cheltenham with 4 wins under your belt and having won Brown Advisory Novices' Chase in really tough conditions he must have been 110% spot on.

My worry for him is when a horse peaks and has a hard race like he did the only way is down.

That's not the only reason I am opposing him. I think he's an out and out stayer and will be a sitting duck for Bravesmansgame

Bravemansgame showed a lot of class when he anhialated Ahoy Senor in a matter of strides at Kempton
and this small field is very much in his favour to enable him to pounce at the right time.

Bravemansgame 3star***Bet @ 11/8
 
Tanlic said:
I may have a few small bets tomorrow but I'm concentrating on Mildmay Novices' Chase to try and add another winning star bet.

L'homme Presse is some tool there's no disputing that with him having now won 5 on the trot.

However there's a couple of reasons why I am opposing him.

To go to Cheltenham with 4 wins under your belt and having won Brown Advisory Novices' Chase in really tough conditions he must have been 110% spot on.

My worry for him is when a horse peaks and has a hard race like he did the only way is down.

That's not the only reason I am opposing him. I think he's an out and out stayer and will be a sitting duck for Bravesmansgame

Bravemansgame showed a lot of class when he anhialated Ahoy Senor in a matter of strides at Kempton
and this small field is very much in his favour to enable him to pounce at the right time.

Bravemansgame 3star***Bet @ 11/8
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This was going to be another main bet, but I can’t say that I was enthused by Pic D’Orhy drifting without any explanation (as yet). Couldn’t really tell whether or not he was on song or not since there was really no coming back from the dreadful mistakes 5 out. So, I’ve had a small opening shot Bravemansgame and will be happy to add if price tightens tomorrow.
 
barjon said:
This was going to be another main bet, but I can’t say that I was enthused by Pic D’Orhy drifting without any explanation (as yet). Couldn’t really tell whether or not he was on song or not since there was really no coming back from the dreadful mistakes 5 out. So, I’ve had a small opening shot Bravemansgame and will be happy to add if price tightens tomorrow.
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I was never at any stage happy with the way Pic D’Orhy was travelling. He hardly stood off at any of his fences and was getting in too close and hopping them.
By half way I had him beat as he was losing ground at every fence
 
Tanlic said:
I was never at any stage happy with the way Pic D’Orhy was travelling. He hardly stood off at any of his fences and was getting in too close and hopping them.
By half way I had him beat as he was losing ground at every fence
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Yes, having looked at it again, you’re pretty spot on, tan.
 
Trappy day. The handicap hurdle looks too hard and Jonbon hard to oppose in the Top. Fakir also in that camp but I'm hopeful the ground might have dried out enough for Mister Fisher in the Melling. Small ew on Crystal Glory in the Sefton also.
 
On Gold Cup day after having a bad day I ended up back in front having Backed Banbridge at 20/1......pure furc*ing luck.never even looked at the form:lol:

The fact he was 20/1....12/1 on the books puts me off so I am backing yet another Paul Nichols horse
Gelino Bello because I like the name.......Bella Bella.......hopefull Bravesmansgame or St Cavados will have won so a small bet is all that will be required to end what i hope will be a good day.

Good luck you landlubbers happy punting
 
Euronymous said:
Trappy day. The handicap hurdle looks too hard and Jonbon hard to oppose in the Top. Fakir also in that camp but I'm hopeful the ground might have dried out enough for Mister Fisher in the Melling. Small ew on Crystal Glory in the Sefton also.
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Yes at the prices I reckon Mister Fisher can run well. Fakir is a horse I know well but he looked awkward at his fences the last day even though he got up to win. I just worry he might hit one or two at this track.

Snugsborough Hall (4:05) was fourth in this race last year. He has come alive in the spring in recent seasons and is good each way value again in this race at odds of 20/1+, plus he's about 7lb lower in the handicap.
 
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Think Lorna Fowler is a under rated Irish trainer, so will chance her mare in the first race

Politesse

Each Way @ 11-1 [Bet 365] ​10 places
 
Agree Jonbon looks hard to oppose. The Fakir/Jonbon double tempts especially at Hills enhanced 5/1 but my account there is empty and I’ve doubled Jonbon with BMG instead. Think L’Homme Presse probably had a hard enough race at Cheltenham on that ground especially as it was the first time over 3m.

In the Topham I’ve backed Spiritofthegames each way as he should place off this mark but could he finally get his head in front?


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Yesterday was awful for me in betting terms. The worst element was not backing one of the the horses that I had had as a banker for Cheltenham from virtually his first run of the season, Knight Salute. Just before the off I considered just going for it substantially but decided this was a losers' mentality and destined to fail. Anguish. Prior to the Bumper I had blown my 3/4 of my budget for the whole Aintree meeting.
I'd had a small bet on Ashroe Diamond largely because of the Forum connection but suddenly decided to throw the remainder of the budget in a stupid act that I regretted immediately I pressed the keyboard , stupid, stupid bet and not my style. Throughout the race I was expecting something to go wrong. Not aftertiming but hopefully a lesson learned. I recovered a chunk of my losses but I will not bet like that again ( hopefully).

BTW Lovely horse with great potential!!!
 
Well Ahoy me.......no way could he win.....twas impossible but the punters never missed him and I got egg all over my face having called him some bad names in the past

What a difference the right course can make.......well done anyone who backed him

A bit of aftertimimg here but only to make a point...despite the size of the field Langer Dan was very easy to spot and back at 5 on the machine before halfway as going better than anything
I think we saw a star chaser of the future. He may not be an Arkle horse but I'd be happy to risk a few quid on the 2m4f novice when prices are available
 
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I felt he was too big at 6s but then with the poor form I have been in thought the market must be right and I must be wrong.

Pleased to see him win though.

Based on the last day you would back LHomme Press everytime but Ahoy has improved again.

He could give A Plus Tard something to think about next season.
 
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Ahoy was so impressive her last year but I too was doubting his jumping this season. Ah well. Pleased for connections.
 
I wouldn't get too carried away..I suspect Lhomme was over the top and Bravemansgame has gone from beating him 7 lengths to losing by 30 lengths
if you take the form of this race seriously I wish you well.
 
Marb said:
Based on the last day you would back LHomme Press everytime but Ahoy has improved again.

He could give A Plus Tard something to think about next season.
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I'm not sure Cheltenham would be his track and LHP and BMG clearly underperformed by some way.
 
Only his first season over fences.

Way too early to be allocating track preferences.

The trainer just said the better ground is what he prefers.

He will be a force to be reckoned with next season.
 
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barjon said:
Aye, that two of Nicholls’ best chances run like donkeys, he must have a nobbler in the camp :D
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Yet CDO won comfortably. PFN horses impossible to work out this season. Can’t believe BMG whose jumping has been so assured chooses the big day to jump like a pig


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Marb said:
Only his first season over fences.

Way too early to be allocating track preferences.

The trainer just said the better ground is what he prefers.

He will be a force to be reckoned with next season.
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Not disagreeing but this meeting often throws up exaggerated winning distances. I've no idea why. Horses going off the boil?

AS was impressive here last year and again today was his most impressive performance over fences.

I've no doubt he is top notch and will be a force to be reckoned with next season but they might need to be careful (I'm sure they will) how they campaign him.

Here's another thought... Was today part of the plan to get BMG into the Hennessy off less than 160?
 
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