To my mind (and surely weve seen this time and again), chasers stamina or suitability to longer distances so often increases with age. Al ferof looked very comfortable yesterday.
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To my mind (and surely weve seen this time and again), chasers stamina or suitability to longer distances so often increases with age. Al ferof looked very comfortable yesterday.
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There's a degree of truth in that, clivex, but it's also fair to say that some horses bave an optimum trip, and that distances either-side, might not see them run to the best of their ability.
I'm of the view that Cue Card wants between 2m4f and 2m6f, to run to his optimum rating, and that while he might 'stay' 3-miles, he might not achieve the same level of form in doing so.
It's an argument that's been advanced by EC over the years i.e. "Stamina" is liked to "performance" (for want of a better expression.
I'm of the view that Cue Card wants between 2m4f and 2m6f, to run to his optimum rating, and that while he might 'stay' 3-miles, he might not achieve the same level of form in doing so.
It's an argument that's been advanced by EC over the years i.e. "Stamina" is liked to "performance" (for want of a better expression.
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EC1
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this is sort of annoying now...the real joke here is on you and others like you..the course is taking the pee out of you..what is your reaction?...when someone notices that there is something not right ..you take the pee out of them...what is that all about?
the length of the race is quite important..i'll never mention it again if it annoys you that much..but i'd be having a look at your own mentality..and Frankel is another one..supposedly taking the p1ss but is actually the one like you who is being shagged up arse by the course for not giving accurate distances
why is it somehow humorous to take the mickey out of someone thats trying to help you?..but not a word against something you really should be bothered about?
i'm a bit surprised at you Clive...thought you were a bit brighter tbh
granger
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Don't take the bait EC. Move on. If people don't agree, leave them be and go find a nice winner somwhere
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I actually meant it light hearted EC, No more.
Was also hinting that maybe they had made it too far now. Hence the Cue Card falling in a hole.Think that was maybe missed.
I've no interest in one upmanship. All info is welcome.
Was also hinting that maybe they had made it too far now. Hence the Cue Card falling in a hole.Think that was maybe missed.
I've no interest in one upmanship. All info is welcome.
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EC1
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aye ..yer probably right.
this board seems to be not responding to well this morning..keeps freezing when you try to post
this board seems to be not responding to well this morning..keeps freezing when you try to post
Well that is a petulant response. I think there have been enough patronising comments about this issue before too
Simple fact is it really likely thay haydock ran this incorrectly yesterday after the charlie hall issue? Think not. And given the near identical times to last year it therefore appears that cue card did win going away over 3m
Its one or the other. No question of that
Simple fact is it really likely thay haydock ran this incorrectly yesterday after the charlie hall issue? Think not. And given the near identical times to last year it therefore appears that cue card did win going away over 3m
Its one or the other. No question of that
Well that is a petulant response. I think there have been enough patronising comments about this issue before too
Simple fact is it really likely thay haydock ran this incorrectly yesterday after the charlie hall issue? Think not. And given the near identical times to last year it therefore appears that cue card did win going away over 3m
Its one or the other. No question of that
Simple fact is it really likely thay haydock ran this incorrectly yesterday after the charlie hall issue? Think not. And given the near identical times to last year it therefore appears that cue card did win going away over 3m
Its one or the other. No question of that
EC1
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i accept you probably did Frankel...no i didn't miss it...but if race had been run over 2m5 CC still wouldn't have won
judging a race by where one horse finishes is a bit odd to me
don't forget..Wetherby had same issue...Simon Rowlands got it changed...is that worthy of a p1ss take?...i really don't see the pee take tbh
Its same with the going descriptions..is someone pointing out that 25% of them are wrong worthy of a p1ss take..or are you laughing at yourself for putting your money on when you don't actually know if your horse has won on the ground or what the actual ground is...either way..only one fool there really is there not?
i can take the p1ss being taken with anyone on here..but not when real fool is the one who thinks he's funny
if you are going to be spoon fed stuff like race distances and goings...might be worth having the right ones given you.
judging a race by where one horse finishes is a bit odd to me
don't forget..Wetherby had same issue...Simon Rowlands got it changed...is that worthy of a p1ss take?...i really don't see the pee take tbh
Its same with the going descriptions..is someone pointing out that 25% of them are wrong worthy of a p1ss take..or are you laughing at yourself for putting your money on when you don't actually know if your horse has won on the ground or what the actual ground is...either way..only one fool there really is there not?
i can take the p1ss being taken with anyone on here..but not when real fool is the one who thinks he's funny
if you are going to be spoon fed stuff like race distances and goings...might be worth having the right ones given you.
EC1
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what have near identical times got to do with it Clive?...if both races were run differently then they tell you nothing about the distances..do you know how each race was run?
here is where i am on this..its quite clear that courses never get it wrong Clive in your world..and if they do and a pleb on a message board spots it..folk like you will always believe the official line..because you think most people on boards are numpties who know bugger all.
here is where i am on this..its quite clear that courses never get it wrong Clive in your world..and if they do and a pleb on a message board spots it..folk like you will always believe the official line..because you think most people on boards are numpties who know bugger all.
On the contrary, that Menorah was actually gaining ground between the last 2, suggests the pace, though good, wasn't nearly attritional, and his trainer was moved to re-iterate after the race that his ideal trip is 2m 6f.
The notion that SC served it up to CC to test his jumping also hardly holds water, either. PN knew SC needed to ensure a proper test at the trip, hence the sheepskins and pressing the pace earlier, but he also probably knew that, normally, SC's fencing wouldn't be in the same league as the Cue Card we'd seen previously.
Btw, yesterday's race was started within spitting distance of the original 3m start, and wouldn't have been nearly the full, advertised distance. Not only is Kirkland Telwright just going through the motions; so - it would seem - are the BHA.
EC1
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Clive
Its pretty straightforward really
As horses run further they run each furlong slower yes?
so looking at yesterdays race times
at 2 miles the overall times for each race were about 239 seconds = 14.9 sec per furlong
at 3m5f the race time was 464 seconds = 16 sec per furlong
so its fair to say that at 3m1f they will be between 15 & 16 seconds per furlong...yes?
more near the 3m5 end as its closer to 3m1..so lets for argument sake say 15.7 per furlong
15.7x25 = 392 seconds
knock some off to allow for the Betfair being a Grade 1..say 6 seconds?
so 3m1f on yesterdays ground should come out at about 386 seconds
well it doesn't..it was run in 370.7 seconds
so what has happened to a full furlong+?
you may think i'm a dumbass about this..but the above is clear logic and simple maths.
and yet..Kirkland cannot do the same sums..so he's dafter than a numptie forum poster
Its pretty straightforward really
As horses run further they run each furlong slower yes?
so looking at yesterdays race times
at 2 miles the overall times for each race were about 239 seconds = 14.9 sec per furlong
at 3m5f the race time was 464 seconds = 16 sec per furlong
so its fair to say that at 3m1f they will be between 15 & 16 seconds per furlong...yes?
more near the 3m5 end as its closer to 3m1..so lets for argument sake say 15.7 per furlong
15.7x25 = 392 seconds
knock some off to allow for the Betfair being a Grade 1..say 6 seconds?
so 3m1f on yesterdays ground should come out at about 386 seconds
well it doesn't..it was run in 370.7 seconds
so what has happened to a full furlong+?
you may think i'm a dumbass about this..but the above is clear logic and simple maths.
and yet..Kirkland cannot do the same sums..so he's dafter than a numptie forum poster
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EC1
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Agreed EC about Cue Card and The 2m5 comment. Something I have eluded to about being beaten further out than expected.
Anyway time to move on
you want to move on without comment after i've clearly shown that the Betfair Chase last year and this year are short of 3 miles..i'll bet you do
like i said..i'll banter with you guys..i'll fall out with you..disagree...and make up and do all the things you do in real life with people...but don't take the bloody mickey when i'm right and those paid to get things right have it wrong..and the evidence is there to see.
when Simon Rowlands pointed out the Wetherby Farce...the BHA wouldn't even allow him to be the there when they remeasured..the arrogant sods
thats what you are up against
EC1
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forget it Frankel..i've no prob..hot headed at the time is how i am.....i'll still buy a pint if i see you
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