Bin Laden

I wonder how long the Americans/Intelligent Services have known him to be there and why they made the decision now to take him out? This would not have been a quick decision. The propaganda gained if they had failed by AQ would surely have made the US be absolutely certain they could take him out and used 'overwhelming' force to be sure.
Burial at sea, no body to become a shine/rallying point. Whether they actually buried him at sea is another question.
 
Just reading on sky news about a woman that was killed in the compound after being used as a human shield -very Hollywood.
 
Rather alarming that he was living about 40 miles from Islamabad rather than in a cave in Afghanistan though..
 
'From 1979-1989 US CIA provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen - President Reagan often praised them as freedom fighters'. That's because, I would imagine, they were 'fighting' the Russians. That's what I meant about the 'worm that turned' clivex.
 
It seems they had him on the radar for several months. In the event they did, it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that he and his people knew this (or found out), used his contacts in the Pakistani intelligence agencies/government to get a nice hiding place near a national milltary compound, and got his courier to send him messages.

I'd be more worried about relations with Pakistan than any immediate terrorist threat, but then the two aren't mutually exclusive are they?
 
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watching the TV and watching those americans, its just the same as watching those in the middle east. fanatics rejoicing in death.

now, im all for this man being captured dead or alive. im all for england being turned back into england.

but i cant help thinking that americans are as warped and vicitms of government and press propaganda as the iraqis,afghans, pakistanis, israelis, lybians and the rest of that area.

my only hope would be that we could somehow distance ourselves from getting involved in any country that looks at us as evil. due to our obssession with dominating oil producing countries.

the implications against pakistan in all of this shouldnt be forgotten either, when it comes to international friendship.
 
there are many odious people on this forum.

no wonder i got warned about expressing an opinion on here

back to civilisation i think
 
From a forum I post in which mainly contains Yanks and Scandos

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He probably got drilled while lying on a cot undergoing dialysis.

America. Fuck yeah.



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Even now, is it ever not retarded to chant "USA, USA?"

When Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrestles.

True. Or anybody wrestling the Iron Sheik or Nikolai Volkoff. Jim Duggan is from a town like 1/2 hour from me!
 
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In all seriousness (Im going to regret joining in with this,theres a reason I stay out of political things, being thick as shite being the main one!!) - having caught a bit of it on tv this morning, I can understand that they are pleased and proud to have found and dealt with him, but theres something a bit wrong (to me) about the amount of joy being expressed.... and I cant see how killing and getting rid of the body so fast is in any way getting justice for all the victims of the various terrorist attacks that have gone on...

This hasnt ended with his death - and the more the americans (and us to a point!) gloat about it, the more angry I can see people getting??

(but perhaps thats just me thinking too much about the wrong thing again)
 
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He's been chucked in the sea, mainly because the Saudis wouldn't take him back to bury him on home soil, as they have more than enough attacks from Al-Qaeda cells as it is, and don't need another 'holy' shrine, already having Makkah and Medina, thanks. Same reason why Afghanistan wouldn't want him - he wasn't a national and would have no right to be buried there and they sure as hell wouldn't want followers trekking into the country to cause more mayhem. Pakistan could've buried him, of course, but presumably their government - amid expressing enormous surprise that he should be living a mere kilometre from a military training ground and within taxi distance of their capital city - also didn't feel a burial there was appropriate.

About the oil business: look, Saudi Arabia is currently top of the pops, followed by (gasp!) CANADA in proven oilfield capacity. There follow, all with less than 10% of the world's overall capacity: Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the UAE, Venezuela, Russia, Libya and Nigeria. The USA lies around 14th in the oil hierarchy of less than 100 oil-producing nations. If you want to keep playing on the Internet, spray your squeaky locks with WD-40, use a variety of toiletries and keep the wheels of pretty much every industry known to the civilized world turning, you have to accept that it is Big Daddy Oil that'll do the job for you. Wind turbines will provide a little bit of local power at enormous cost per unit, but they ain't gonna be worth a tap in greasing your hairstyle or running the trucks that bring you your household goods, or in helping to manufacture them.

There are massive gasfields to be found in passive rim areas of tectonic plates (see, I knew my 20 years in the oil biz would pay off one day), a leading contender of which is BRAZIL. Nothing to do with Islam and mad mullahs, just like Canada and its oil.

Bin Laden's death is hugely symbolic, especially to those who survived 9/11, to those caught up in the horrible embassy bombings in Africa, to the Bali bombings, to the innocents killed in Afghanistan as he was pursued there, and, in case some of you have developed short-term memory loss - our very own 7/7. I imagine that those who get up each day and strap on their prosthetic arms and legs, reach for their white sticks, or gaze at photographs of dead children, husbands and wives will not be the least worried about the man's death being met with glee. The architect of their pain has been brought to justice, in a way that he no doubt considered would be, eventually, inevitable.
 
A burial at sea was logical, no martyrs funeral and no shrine. He is no loss but I can't see it making the world any safer as unfortunately revenge attacks are inevitable.
 
I'm pleased that he has had the traditional Muslim 'burial' within 24 hours, because it shows a respect for his faith, but I find it a wonderful kind of divine retribution that he was turned away in death by the people of the very faith that caused him to wreak so much death and destrucion upon his fellow human beings.
 
Except that no Muslim would accept a sea 'burial' as due Islamic process, Moehat, unless there was no other option. I don't understand why the US says his body was first taken to Afghanistan, for example. That wasn't his place of birth, or death. Perhaps that's an error, and they meant 'offered to'. They didn't want his carcase on their soil, since they could be sure that his final resting place would've become a pilgrimage for all future 'martyrs' to the cause.

The logical place was to bury him in Pakistan, where he'd enjoyed refuge for so long. As the place is already riddled with terrorism schools and extremist Islamists, I can't see that his burial there would've made any difference to the amount of resident fundamentalists/West-haters, etc. As things are, the government is damned by them for not having him under Pakistani soil. Stand by for attacks within Pakistan by Pakistanis, aimed at their establishment. Hey-ho, and on we go...
 
I meant the 24 hour bit, which I believe is important to Muslims. Of course, he won't be pointing towards Mecca at sea [well, he won't be pointing anywhere now, I guess].
 
Former PM Tony Blair strangely decides to defend Pakistans position on this, saying that he 'hoped' the ISI helped with the assasination (when there is no current evidence they did.)

Liax Fox ' the conspiracy theorists are on the net".

It's not really that much of a conspiracy is it Liam, the bloke living in near enough a presidential palace in Pakistan?

British, cowards, politicians.
 
Agree marble. And isn't this thread like the guardian at its worst ? A country has clearly been protecting someone who would destroy just about everyone reading this thread given the chance but the sneering is towards the nation that killed him

And as for this "musnt upset themuslims" garbage... Give me strength
 
Agree marble. And isn't this thread like the guardian at its worst ? A country has clearly been protecting someone who would destroy just about everyone reading this thread given the chance but the sneering is towards the nation that killed him

And as for this "musnt upset themuslims" garbage... Give me strength
 
Agree marble. And isn't this thread like the guardian at its worst ? A country has clearly been protecting someone who would destroy just about everyone reading this thread given the chance but the sneering is towards the nation that killed him

And as for this "musnt upset themuslims" garbage... Give me strength

So the solution is to isolate the country, cripple it with sanctions and create another breeding ground for discontented young people to run into the arms of Al Qaeda, is it?
 
Why not? we have sanctions against Iran but we dont see iranians running to the shia equivalent of AQ do we?

Are we going to keep paying off the ISI whilst they sponsor and organise attacks such as Mumbai?
 
Hope he's having fun with his virgins, or would it be mermaids:lol:

good riddance to the maggot

The USA have my best wishes, they don't fuck about
 
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Clivex, I was against the Iraq war, not because I deemed Saddam a good guy, but because I was always of the view you can't have one rule for one dictator and one for everybody else.

I read any paper that I think are good at reporting the facts. One day it might be the telegraph the next the Daily Mirror. The Daily Mail had a report about 6 months ago about chonic failure in the NHS, which from experience of being a voluntary worker in a patient group I thought was actually spot on.

The Guardian is one of the better newspapers, but when I read it I find myself comng to the view that the world is great, and the good old liberal intelligensia have got everything under control (As long as the labour party are running this country of course).

To illustate the point, I've taken this from wikipedia about The Guardian and it's support for the New-Labour administrations Iraq war)

"It is not credible to argue, as Iraq did in its initial reaction to Mr Powell [at the Security Council], that it is simply all lies. ...Iraq must disarm." (Guardian Leader, Thursday 6 February 2003)

One columnist congratulated UK Prime Minister Tony Blair on his victory: "For a leader who went to war in the absence of a single political ally who believed in the war as unreservedly as he did, Iraq now looks like a vindication on an astounding scale." (Hugo Young, 13 April 2003)

Both above quotes were taken from The Guardian. Personally I couldn't trust a newspaper who put political allegiances before putting forward what the think is right, based on the facts in front of them (it used to be the right wing Murdoch press who did that to the extremes I think, whereas now it seems to be the opposite).

To be fair to the Liberals Democrats under Charlie Kennedy, they did stand against the Iraq war and they were proved right, which sadly centre left politiians (in power) supported, backed blindly by papers like the Guardian. As I say, don't mind reading the paper but it epitomizes the way modern day newspapers operate.

No wonder people are puzzled by the current political enigma and why the Liberal Democrats went in with the tories. Nick, David and Ed... David, Ed and Nick.... Nick, Ed and David etc. Ironically everyone wants to blame the Liberal Democrats but then everyone needs someone to blame. Voters are fickle, and we live in a society where everyone does whats best for themselves, ieven when putting a cross on a ballot paper.

Ps, think I've stayed off topic slightly. Didn't think the thread was too bad, just a bit of debate as usual.


Marble.
 
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