Black Caviar
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SlimChance
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You'll be up all night trying to find something to beat her.
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why would the ground be a negative for a big horse?
Black Caviar has many positives:
worse australian horses have won at RA,
unbeaten, easy to ride and on best figures, best sprinter in a long time.
BUT
talking of the trainer of beating Moonlight Cloud by 8 or 10 lengths sounds at lest funny, bordering on ridiculous, myfeeling is that she has not been running so high figures in the last 12 months
she has run many times since October, the draw can be a negative and the GROUND SOFT should not suit.
She has made a long trip from Australia and even the trainer saying is has been trained for this, with so much moey there, she should have been quite fit while running there.
The price is now 1/4 and with the aussies there and following Frankel romp she can end 1/7.
Moonlight Cloud is a 126 fillie last year and the fact the owner is a breeder and she stays in training makes me think she can improve,
she goes on soft ground and drawn on the other side, she was impressive first time out in the season , the pity is the style of racing (held up) makes her to need a group making the pace and Jarnet is not a genius.
In normal circumstances BC should win but I will not be so surprised if the french fillie beat her.
worse australian horses have won at RA,
unbeaten, easy to ride and on best figures, best sprinter in a long time.
BUT
talking of the trainer of beating Moonlight Cloud by 8 or 10 lengths sounds at lest funny, bordering on ridiculous, myfeeling is that she has not been running so high figures in the last 12 months
she has run many times since October, the draw can be a negative and the GROUND SOFT should not suit.
She has made a long trip from Australia and even the trainer saying is has been trained for this, with so much moey there, she should have been quite fit while running there.
The price is now 1/4 and with the aussies there and following Frankel romp she can end 1/7.
Moonlight Cloud is a 126 fillie last year and the fact the owner is a breeder and she stays in training makes me think she can improve,
she goes on soft ground and drawn on the other side, she was impressive first time out in the season , the pity is the style of racing (held up) makes her to need a group making the pace and Jarnet is not a genius.
In normal circumstances BC should win but I will not be so surprised if the french fillie beat her.
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Moonlight Cloud is a 7f horse..and does all her work in that 7th furlong..a place lay for me..seeing as she will playing for just two places against specialist 6f horses..16/1+ imo to actually win
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only run at 6f over this c/d saw her lose to 112/113 horses..not her best distance imo
those courses might be easier..but 7f is 7f..and her winning comes late on at that trip..its not like they will front run her..they didn't when beat at Ascot over 6 before..if she were my horse..i would be front running her tomorrow because thats the only way she can win at 6 imo..but they won't do that
those courses might be easier..but 7f is 7f..and her winning comes late on at that trip..its not like they will front run her..they didn't when beat at Ascot over 6 before..if she were my horse..i would be front running her tomorrow because thats the only way she can win at 6 imo..but they won't do that
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SlimChance
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The bet is Black Caviar over 3 lengths. She will murder this lot.
Oz sprinters are appreciably better than ours generally, and she is much better than them, so it should be a stroll in the park, really.
However, whether she acts on easy ground or not, it will have an impact on her stamina and, if anything can keep her occupied in the earlier stages, it wouldn't surprise to see her wilt toward the end.
However, whether she acts on easy ground or not, it will have an impact on her stamina and, if anything can keep her occupied in the earlier stages, it wouldn't surprise to see her wilt toward the end.
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
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its still not 6 though
she has had a chance to win at Ascot over a trip that an easy 7 or 6.5 seems to suggest..but ran below expectations
even if she runs her best..has a stone to find
i'll ask again..why should a large horse be troubled by slow ground?..a bit illogical..surely fast ground should bother her more..but it doesn't..which means the going is really clutching at straws as a reason why she will lose
6/1 for Mc is a poor price imo,,by some way...imo
The ground will likely make it more of a test than it was then, also - which must have a bearing.
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if she is so good at 6f..why do they always run her at 7f?..or 6.5f..if we splitting hairs
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why has BC got stamina issues??..she has won a G1 race at 7f going away
starting to think i'm looking at the wrong horses here
you've got a great big horse that wins at 6f and 7f...that apparently won't stay 6f or like slow ground
i might be wrong here..but if she had won all her races at 5f and just one at 6..and was a small horse.. i might see where you are coming from..as it is you seem to be defying all known logic by suggesting a solid 6f horse..who has shown she pisses 7f...and will plough through soft like no ones business with the size of her..has some sort of problem tomorrow
you must be desperate for a bet to come to these wacky conclusions
starting to think i'm looking at the wrong horses here
you've got a great big horse that wins at 6f and 7f...that apparently won't stay 6f or like slow ground
i might be wrong here..but if she had won all her races at 5f and just one at 6..and was a small horse.. i might see where you are coming from..as it is you seem to be defying all known logic by suggesting a solid 6f horse..who has shown she pisses 7f...and will plough through soft like no ones business with the size of her..has some sort of problem tomorrow
you must be desperate for a bet to come to these wacky conclusions
Moonlight was hampered , and ground not slow
I think she will beat the rest of the field easily.
About a stone to find
Frankel is the only horse I have seen with a stone in hand with her
EC
About ground and big horses,
I have seen many big horses not going on soft ground
Black Caviar could cope with it, but 99% of horses with his stride and speed are better suited by good ground rather than softer
I think she will beat the rest of the field easily.
About a stone to find
Frankel is the only horse I have seen with a stone in hand with her
EC
About ground and big horses,
I have seen many big horses not going on soft ground
Black Caviar could cope with it, but 99% of horses with his stride and speed are better suited by good ground rather than softer
Black Caviar
has faced top horses like HAy List, but she is not doing regularly now
most are bad horse in recent races
It reminds about Goldikova
she put 2 tremendous preformance but afterwards she was runing to high 120s and once she get older was a worse mare and was beaten by some fine horses but not champions
Black Caviar is a 6yo so the chance is that she will or is regressing
has faced top horses like HAy List, but she is not doing regularly now
most are bad horse in recent races
It reminds about Goldikova
she put 2 tremendous preformance but afterwards she was runing to high 120s and once she get older was a worse mare and was beaten by some fine horses but not champions
Black Caviar is a 6yo so the chance is that she will or is regressing
i think she will power through the ground. Its a fair call to say that size helps with the going (and other things ..).
im not sure about regressing either. Maybe im guessing abit since i dont follow sprints that much, but they seem to generally hold their form longer than others. Maybe its just the sheer strength and power that contributes to that. I dunno
im not sure about regressing either. Maybe im guessing abit since i dont follow sprints that much, but they seem to generally hold their form longer than others. Maybe its just the sheer strength and power that contributes to that. I dunno
EC1
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has won 10 times on good to soft???
go on..tell me its special good to soft over there that equates to firm ground here
ok..yes some big horses don't act on soft..but why do you think she won't act on it//won 10 with give
.i won't be betting in it..i'm just watching it for the sheer pleasure by the way
good luck with your bets..i don't see the point in betting in it..and i don't see the point in betting in Frankel's races either..mainly because i can't be arsed shouting home horses for places whilst missing out on watching the winner
you will only see really good horses very few times in your life..be a shame to tell grandkids you didn't really watch the winner as you were shouting home summat to finish 3rd..yes i missed actually watching Frankel..i'd got 200 on excelebration etc..not my cup of tea..we all different aren't we?
go on..tell me its special good to soft over there that equates to firm ground here
ok..yes some big horses don't act on soft..but why do you think she won't act on it//won 10 with give
.i won't be betting in it..i'm just watching it for the sheer pleasure by the way
good luck with your bets..i don't see the point in betting in it..and i don't see the point in betting in Frankel's races either..mainly because i can't be arsed shouting home horses for places whilst missing out on watching the winner
you will only see really good horses very few times in your life..be a shame to tell grandkids you didn't really watch the winner as you were shouting home summat to finish 3rd..yes i missed actually watching Frankel..i'd got 200 on excelebration etc..not my cup of tea..we all different aren't we?