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chroniclandlord
Senior Jockey
Only a lenght in front of a hampered Fame in the Arc though Hamm.
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
Behkabad never had a clear run in the Arc. He was squeezed between Fame and Cavalryman and was hampered slightly by the weakening Cape Blanco. 5/1 is a very fair price as the course will suit him more than Fame and Workforce doesn't appeal at a short price.
Indeed, and it is a fair point. However, Behkabad met a lot of interference as well and Lemaire accepted his fate pretty quickly - watching it again i think he was travelling the best (Sarafina aside) before he lost his chance. I can't imagine the track will suit Fame at all.
Sometimess the track thing can be over played - who would have thought High Chaparral would have been able to win on firm ground at Santa Anita?
Ride him up the front aggressively and the track will not be an excuse for his defeat - in fact it may help him nick if from the front.
Ride him up the front aggressively and the track will not be an excuse for his defeat - in fact it may help him nick if from the front.
Maybe Daryll Holland thought it and had a bet on it?
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
To be fair I don't think he ran to his very best that day. If he had a non-stayer like Falbrav would have been beaten further than he was.
trackside528
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Soldier of Fortune anyone?
Seriously though, I've gotten sucked into backing Ballydoyle horses heading over as an after-thought too many times before.
Speaking of Fame And Glory, I vaguely remember saying on here in the Spring that I thought Fame And Glory could win a 10f Group 1 (Eclipse or Juddmonte two that came to mind) given a decent gallop at a stiff track. I'm happy to admit I was wrong on that point at this stage.
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Euronymous
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He'd have won the International the year One so Wonderful did.
Soldier Of Fortune was ridden into crazy opening fractions with Red Rock Canyon. In fairness F&G never got the chance to run in a 10 furlong race Group 1 race all summer/autumn.
Bar the Bull
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He'd have won this year's Eclipse.
Powerscourt
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The Breeders’ Cup has launched the Breeders’ Cup iPhone App in advance of the Nov. 5-6 World Championships at Churchill Downs. The Breeders’ Cup application, developed by Rock Software, will allow iPhone users to watch all 14 Breeders’ Cup World Championship races live and for free. The Breeders’ Cup also announced plans to release an iPad App, including all the same features, in advance of the World Championships.
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trackside528
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You think he'd beat Twice Over over 10f, Bar? The beaten horses were very much flattered to get as close to Twice Over as they did at Sandown.
Not for me anyway.
Bar the Bull
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I think Twice Over is shite.
Eloquent as always Bully!!!!!
They threw soldier of fortunes race away going too fast - Gal's right. I backed him as well and couldn;t believe what they did. If Murtagh can get the fractions right he would have a chance but I think Behkabad will have too much for him. I'm with Hamm on this one (And pocket talking - I backed both the Aga Khan horses) Behkabad was travelling best rounding the turn and got no run at all. F&G didn't either to be fair but when the gaps opened Behkabad went past him.
They threw soldier of fortunes race away going too fast - Gal's right. I backed him as well and couldn;t believe what they did. If Murtagh can get the fractions right he would have a chance but I think Behkabad will have too much for him. I'm with Hamm on this one (And pocket talking - I backed both the Aga Khan horses) Behkabad was travelling best rounding the turn and got no run at all. F&G didn't either to be fair but when the gaps opened Behkabad went past him.
Bar the Bull
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3/1 is far too big about Workforce.
Far too big; he should be 7/4.
Far too big; he should be 7/4.
trackside528
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Fair enough but that's the trouble really - he has to make it a stiff test to draw the sting out of the others.
He was keeping on for pressure in the Arc before getting mullered but I certainly don't think he would have threatened the front pair on that occasion.
Euronymous
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Given the record of Arc winners in this race and the fact that Workforce seems to go good run/bad run/good run/bad run he will always be a horse to oppose at a short price.
Bar the Bull
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I think, given that he is the best horse in the field by a fair bit, 7/4 should account for those doubts.
You may well be right but I think this year's Arc should be rated much lower than it has been, and would therefore be an unreliable indicator of how good Workforce really is. For example, is that Japanese horse really a 132 horse? Most probably not, and herein lies the problem of assuming every Arc is a good one.
For me, too many horses had extremely bad hard luck stories and consequently didn't do themselves justice. Who then do you rate the race through? Not fame, not the 2 Aga horses, not Lope de Vega, and several more.
For me, too many horses had extremely bad hard luck stories and consequently didn't do themselves justice. Who then do you rate the race through? Not fame, not the 2 Aga horses, not Lope de Vega, and several more.
Powerscourt
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Pathfork with a minor injury and will not be running in the juvenile.
His american owners will not be happy with that news. Be interesting to see where he will be targeted next year given the strength of the Dewhurst lineup.
Kentucky Derby still in the picture I would say but there will still be a question of whether he can handle the dirt at Churchill Downs.
His american owners will not be happy with that news. Be interesting to see where he will be targeted next year given the strength of the Dewhurst lineup.
Kentucky Derby still in the picture I would say but there will still be a question of whether he can handle the dirt at Churchill Downs.