Caravans.

Originally posted by Griffin+May 25 2007, 11:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Griffin @ May 25 2007, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Shadow Leader@May 25 2007, 10:25 PM
If you can't afford to stay in a hotel then don't go on holiday, it's simple!
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What a horrible stuck up attitude to have :what: [/b][/quote]
I agree Griffin, maybe SL thinks that no-one else is allowed on the road unless she has vetted their driving habits and ensured they will do what she wants them to do.
We didnt caravan as kids but my cousins did because not everyone earns millions a year and caravaning is a cheaper option.
 
Oh dear, what a can of worms I've opened...:laughing:

Jon, every now and then a good rant is good for you - as you know yourself, you've been known to have a few as well!!

I'm making no apology for this thread either - I hate the bloody things. It wouldn't be so much of a problem if it was simply one person being "confined to 65mph for a mile or two", Kri - they snarl up the entire motorway for miles upon miles, not to mention the effect they have on single lane roads!

Sorry if you think I have a stuck up attitude Griffin - my philosophy is simple, if you can't afford something then don't have it I'm afraid. I don't hold a lot of sympathy for people who constantly winge about the enormous costs they have to fork out for various things - be that a new car ("the insurance is killing me" - fine, sell it & get one you can afford), a horse, other pets, kids, whatever. Nobody forced anyone to have them in the first place - same as holidays. If people really can't afford holidays the answer is simple isn't it? Don't go on one!

As an aside - I really don't know, perhaps someone could enlighten me, surely a caravan has to be taxed before it is allowed on the road? Whatever rate of tax it is, it's clearly not enough! :laughing:
 
The point about tax is interesting!

I'm not sure if you have this problem in other areas but when the houses were built in the South Wales valleys, no thought at all was given to garages and car-parking space. So the only place to park your car, usually, is outside your house, even if you live on the main thoroughfare. Alright we've learnt to live with main roads with cars parked all the way along one side of it, but now we have caravans!!! Where do we park that??............outside someone else's house!!!, of course.

If people don't pay extra tax for caravans, they jolly well should!!! :P :D
 
But who are you to declare that holidays must involve a stay in a hotel or they are not worthy of the title 'holiday'? Are you suggesting that millions of people who holiday quite happily in a tent, caravan, B&B or self catering accommodation shouldn't be allowed a break every now and then? Should the children of low income families be deprived of a few days at the seaside because their parents chose to stay in a caravan park?

As you are well aware I have a large family. We cannot afford to stay in a hotel for a week in this country. Mad as it seems it's cheaper for us to spend a week in a hotel in Majorca! When times were hard a few years ago we went on holiday to a family members caravan in Burnham-On-Sea. The girls loved it. I don't complain about the cost of raising my family, and neither do I expect the state to fund it, but do you think that because sometimes I could only afford a week in Burnham I shouldn't of had them at all?

Please don't patronize me by saying you are sorry if I think you have a stuck up attitude. In the previous paragraph you said you made no apology for this thread. Make up your mind.

You should know by now that I am one of the most laid back and mild mannered people you will ever find. You have pissed me off with this thread but I genuinely fear for you right now. Take a few steps back and have a good look at yourself. What I have seen of you lately on this forum is not very pleasant at all.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 26 2007, 07:37 AM
they snarl up the entire motorway for miles upon miles,
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No they don't. As I said earlier, for the last six years I've been driving 35,000 miles a year and 2/3 of that is motorway driving. I cannot recall ever being held up behind a caravan on the motorway. Smaller roads, yes, but not motorways.
 
Yes they do, DO - try a route south on a bank holiday weekend; the M4 westbound, M3 southbound, A34 southbound, A303 southbound.
 
I reckon they should be moved ONLY at night :P .. after years of enduring these obsticles on the road while trying to do a job of work...this was not meant as a joke but a logical expectation to cure all the hold ups to holiday routes-areas that still need to be serviced by road transport......... :angy:
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 26 2007, 08:37 AM
Yes they do, DO - try a route south on a bank holiday weekend; the M4 westbound, M3 southbound, A34 southbound, A303 southbound.
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Yeah but who in their right mind would want to be anywhere near that part of the country? :)
 
Well, if that comment precludes a mass invasion of tight-fisted, mass-produced cheap food consumers heading down here, please accept this post as one huge sign of relief.... :P
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@May 26 2007, 08:45 AM
I reckon they should be moved ONLY at night :P .. after years of enduring these obsticles on the road while trying to do a job of work...this was not meant as a joke but a logical expectation to cure all the hold ups to holiday routes-areas that still need to be serviced by road transport......... :angy:
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If it wasn't a joke, why the " :P "?

HGVs are a much bigger problem than caravans and their drivers are among the least considerate on the roads. They seem to believe might is right and they're not likely to get hurt in any accident they cause.

With all the driving I mentioned before, I have to say I reckon most of the accidents I have seen have involved HGVs, which doesn't exactly instil confidence. Get the HGVs off the road and transport all this stuff by rail, I say :P :P
 
Originally posted by Songsheet@May 26 2007, 08:52 AM
Well, if that comment precludes a mass invasion of tight-fisted, mass-produced cheap food consumers heading down here, please accept this post as one huge sign of relief.... :P
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So you also have the memory of an elephant, Songsheet :D
 
Yes they do, DO - try a route south on a bank holiday weekend; the M4 westbound, M3 southbound, A34 southbound, A303 southbound.
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The hold-ups are caused by sheer weight of traffic and idiot drivers causing accidents, minor and major, not by caravans per se.
 
One caravan driver overtaking another slowly is just as irritating as two HGVs battling it out for ages - especially on a dual carriageway or two lane motorway - but compared to the massive annoyance of bad HGV driving - caravans are nothing .
 
I can afford to stay in probably any hotel in the world (for one night!) BUT we brought a £10k motorhome from Ebay and have had some fantastic holiday in it so the cost is not the reason we purchased it. It really is a laugh but it probably takes a certain type of person. Someone who doesn't mind sharing facilities, doesn't mind mixing with people from all walks of life, and people that enjoy the outdoors, dogs and getting out in the countryside and being close up and personal with those that share the living space. :luv:

Yep, I have more than 3 briancells to rub together - 4 at the last count. :brows: Yes, , I am glad the motorhome can only do only 65mph with a good tail wind and think it is one of the best things I ever purchased.

If those people who cannot stand travelling behind caravans, get up a bit bloody earlier and stop racing around and getting wound up just because they feel their journey is more important that anyone elses then perhaps the types of vehicles on the road that are not doing 75mph wouldn't bother them. shrug:: There are crap drivers who drive anything from a Ford Ka to a 40 foot articulated vehicle and everything inbetween.


My OH had all the fast cars in his time, the Porsche, the Jag a variety of sports cars, and now he drives a Vauxhall Vectra that he purchased for £7k at an auction and has had it for nearly 3 years. He doesn't feel the need to go racing around and now we have the motorhome he really appreciates other road users and just laughs when you see all the racing drivers late for an appointment all wound up as they are late again, sitting on the horn and flashing their lights when someone gets in their way. I know which driver type of I prefer.

Caravanners and motorhomers of the forum unite!! :clap: :clap:
 
Originally posted by Muttley@May 26 2007, 10:01 AM
The hold-ups are caused by sheer weight of traffic and idiot drivers causing accidents, minor and major, not by caravans per se.
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Any slow moving vehicles will slow up the carriageway, but sheer voulme of traffic is the biggest contributor. Motorways or decent dual carrigeway are better placed to absorb slower vehicles, but the thing that grinds them to a halt is crashes. Indeed one of the roads Shadz mentions is notorious for it in my experience, so much so, I've all but given up using it such is the Oxfordshire motorists seeming inability to keep their car on the paddock.

The biggest problem with the A34 and the M3 is that they link the container port of Southampton with areas of industrial production, and thus prove very popular with sleepless drivers of European HGV's. There are additional difficulties with the A34 which really need looking at in terms of upgrading the road to a motorway.

The A303 moves ok until you get to about Stonehenge (an attraction which hardly enhances the roads flow in it's own right). I've never regarded the M4 West as being too problematic, and the volume is nothing like as bad as the London sections. If I were looking at spots that drive me mad, then I've got a few candidates. The M6 between Junc 4 and Hilton Park services would be pretty well up my list, the M67 and M60 get worse every time I use them. I'm certainly under the impression that the M6 between Keele and Sandbach services generates more than it's fair share of crashes. The M25 speaks for itself. Any road in Cheltenham in mid March :laughing: I've lost the will to live on the A30 a couple of times.

As regards Cities/ towns then Bath would be up there on any list of places that can't handle the demand. Oxford wouldn't be far away either. Cardiff clogs up pretty badly, as does Edinburgh.

I'm sure I saw some stats on this once, I'll see if I can dig them out
 
But who are you to declare that holidays must involve a stay in a hotel or they are not worthy of the title 'holiday'? Are you suggesting that millions of people who holiday quite happily in a tent, caravan, B&B or self catering accommodation shouldn't be allowed a break every now and then? Should the children of low income families be deprived of a few days at the seaside because their parents chose to stay in a caravan park?
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Well said, Griffin.
Genuine, law-abiding, hard-working people, who are on a low salary deserve a holiday just as much as anyone, more so in some cases. If the family budget only stretches to a long weekend at a campsite in the UK, rather than two weeks at the poshest 5-star in Monaco, so be it. I'm sure they'll enjoy themselves just as much as the 'Snobs'.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 25 2007, 10:25 PM
If you can't afford to stay in a hotel then don't go on holiday
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Some people don't like to stay in hotels because they might stand on a hair (left by a previous occupant) while in their bare feet.
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Originally posted by Kathy@May 26 2007, 11:44 AM
I can afford to stay in probably any hotel in the world (for one night!)...
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I own a hotel and the cost for one nights stay is £4,000,000,000.

Shall I book you in?
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 26 2007, 07:37 AM
Sorry if you think I have a stuck up attitude Griffin - my philosophy is simple, if you can't afford something then don't have it I'm afraid.
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So because people cant afford (or have mommy and daddy pay for) a hoilday in the Ritz, they shouldnt be allowed to go on holiday?

I wonder if you read the posts you put up sometimes, that is one of the most preposterous things I have ever read on here.
 
Hate is a strong word Shadow Leader. I have a caravan but only beacuse three of my 11 kids live in it. We haven't got enough room in the house since the Pope threatened the missus with a shotgun ("breed you bitch!" - "beggin' yer pardon yer emminence?")
 
Originally posted by Phil Waters+May 26 2007, 07:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phil Waters @ May 26 2007, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Kathy@May 26 2007, 11:44 AM
I can afford to stay in probably any hotel in the world (for one night!)...
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I own a hotel and the cost for one nights stay is £4,000,000,000.

Shall I book you in?[/b][/quote]
Yes, please. Could I have a single room please next to the lift shaft and no breakfast. :shy:
 
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