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Ardross
Guest
I have edited Stav's post Betsmate to replace the offensive adjective with white . Rather than delete it.
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Griffin
Guest
Been watching tonights highlights show, and I would've thought that with all Jades money Jack could've bought a pair of jeans that actually fit properly.
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
It`s called fashion Griff. When i was in my early 20`s it took me half an hour to get mine on they were so tight. How times change.
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Griffin
Guest
It's not the tightness that bothered me, I just don't want to have to see his pants!
Ted
At the Start
The other day I watched a program about the Birmingham mosque.
The people in that programme were about 10 million times more racist than Jade Goody, but have they made headline news for the last week? no of course not.
Put me down as 100% in agreement with Stav.
The people in that programme were about 10 million times more racist than Jade Goody, but have they made headline news for the last week? no of course not.
Put me down as 100% in agreement with Stav.
Lads, Jermaine Jackson's white trash quote was taken out of context,
He actually pointed out that she was conforming to a stereotype of what people often refer to as 'white trash'
Don't make it out like he said: "Jade is white trash"
It was nothing of the sort.......but hey.....don't let what actually happened get in the way of a lame comeback.
He actually pointed out that she was conforming to a stereotype of what people often refer to as 'white trash'
Don't make it out like he said: "Jade is white trash"
It was nothing of the sort.......but hey.....don't let what actually happened get in the way of a lame comeback.
Actually, Bobbyjo, people don't refer to this stereotype as "white trash"......black people do.
The general, non-racist term is "trailer trash".
What colour has to do with it, I do not know. Jackson seemed to think it was relevant though :brows:
I understand that I dont know any of the contributors to this thread personally, and I could be way out here. The impression that I get is that there are plenty of middle class white individuals who would love to believe they are the victim of racism, only that the minorties have the bigger lobby.
I'm sorry if that opinion offends, but its what I see here.
I'm sorry if that opinion offends, but its what I see here.
Any of the "white middle classes" here identify themselves with "white trash" goody etc?
If not...which i suspect might be the case...hard to see how they (or we) think we are victims of the racism discussed above
Maybe we just dislike hypocrites. or those that say a little selective bigotry is fine provided that i dislike the victim too
good point Ted. But unlike CBB it was not a total suprise and therefore not news perhaps
If not...which i suspect might be the case...hard to see how they (or we) think we are victims of the racism discussed above
Maybe we just dislike hypocrites. or those that say a little selective bigotry is fine provided that i dislike the victim too
good point Ted. But unlike CBB it was not a total suprise and therefore not news perhaps
Your opinion doesn't offend me in the slightest, Garney - I'm white but am certainly not 'middle-class'.
The thing is, the minorities do have the bigger lobby. Is that fair?
As Ted has said, there were some people inside that mosque who are truly horrifically racist towards non-muslims, yet I can't recall any worldwide headlines displaying outrage? Of course it was reported but nothing like the sensationalism we are seeing here.
So on one hand we have Jade, a moronic imbecile who happens to call an Indian woman she fell out with "Shilpa Poppadum" and mimic her accent, and uttered a few ignorant and uneducated comments about the way of life in India.....and on the other hand we have a group of blokes preaching that they want innocent people who don't conform to their beliefs and religion to die horribly.
One of these instances has caused uproar around the world, burning effigies in India and people just as ignorant and stupid as Goody herself stating that she is representative of the average white Briton.
The other must be acceptable behaviour, I guess.
The thing is, the minorities do have the bigger lobby. Is that fair?
As Ted has said, there were some people inside that mosque who are truly horrifically racist towards non-muslims, yet I can't recall any worldwide headlines displaying outrage? Of course it was reported but nothing like the sensationalism we are seeing here.
So on one hand we have Jade, a moronic imbecile who happens to call an Indian woman she fell out with "Shilpa Poppadum" and mimic her accent, and uttered a few ignorant and uneducated comments about the way of life in India.....and on the other hand we have a group of blokes preaching that they want innocent people who don't conform to their beliefs and religion to die horribly.
One of these instances has caused uproar around the world, burning effigies in India and people just as ignorant and stupid as Goody herself stating that she is representative of the average white Briton.
The other must be acceptable behaviour, I guess.
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Ardross
Guest
The tone of this piece and the rag in which it is printed undermines the point of the Dispatches programme- a lot of people have been very worried about the infiltration of mosques for a very long time - in particular the lack of control over visiting imams largely from Pakistan - who are ill educated and self qualified.
Somehow , as it appears for the first time in the Mail on Sunday however they think it is only just happening now and nobody knows about it.
The idea that this sort of activity is not being monitored by Special Branch or the security services is naive in the extreme - they are hardly going to go on about doing it or it will go underground.
Somehow , as it appears for the first time in the Mail on Sunday however they think it is only just happening now and nobody knows about it.
The idea that this sort of activity is not being monitored by Special Branch or the security services is naive in the extreme - they are hardly going to go on about doing it or it will go underground.
Spot on
its amazing how clear outright bigotry is being ignored by the left but actually being picked up by the right
The funniest thing is that the a section of the far left has hitched its bankrupt almost laughably failed ideaology onto a creed which despises the very commuinities they supposedly championed
Of course, what this tells us is that they are more obsessed with "thine enemies enemy" than the supposedly less fortunate in society.... Pathetic
And there is of course the buzz they get off the control and authoritinarism that that the extreme muslims thrive off.
No coincidence that the Iranian authorities flirted with the far right in germany
of course. All in the same bag
its amazing how clear outright bigotry is being ignored by the left but actually being picked up by the right
The funniest thing is that the a section of the far left has hitched its bankrupt almost laughably failed ideaology onto a creed which despises the very commuinities they supposedly championed
Of course, what this tells us is that they are more obsessed with "thine enemies enemy" than the supposedly less fortunate in society.... Pathetic
And there is of course the buzz they get off the control and authoritinarism that that the extreme muslims thrive off.
No coincidence that the Iranian authorities flirted with the far right in germany
of course. All in the same bag
We've put one mad mullah in jail for several years, Clivex, and are in the process of seizing his properties to pay his £6m court fees. The police and security agencies have spent probably 100's of thousands of pounds in rounding up various suspects (for promoting religious intolerance, threats to kill, etc.) and many of those are in the process of going before the courts or being deported. If Britain didn't have a chaotically incompetent Home Office, these people could have been denied access to the country, or rounded-up and thrown out much earlier.
If we have government agencies and addled officials who don't know the difference between an illegal immigrant, a genuine asylum seeker, a dangerous ex-con from Uzbekhistan, the Ukraine, or Nigeria, and a madrassa-schooled, al-Queda trained extremist, you can hardly put the blame on 'society'!
We (that is, British society) has been very badly let down by a swamp of harebrained political correctness, from the ill-starred, forced, 'Care in the Community' decisions, which have seen terrible events on both sides of the issue (the attacks on the mentally unfit, and attacks on the public by them in turn); to the laxity at our various entranceways which allow inhumane gangmasters to exploit and cause the deaths of foreign workers; to the crippling of the Police with tons of quadruple-copy paperwork; to the disgraceful situations arising as I've described in the paragraph above.
If many people in Britain feel resentful or furious, they should aim their resentments and fury at the right target - the government officials who've let this country down in virtually all of its major social spheres. There will always be extremists, racists, conmen, gangsters, and people taking advantage of weak systems and weaker attitudes. That Britain is paying the price for these lapses in control and common sense is tragic. I'm not sure that a change of party will reverse the damage done, but change has got to come, and quickly, too. Perhaps if Reid's proposed splitting of the Home Office into more manageable portions is successful - and the incompetent deadwood thrown out quickly - we can get back on track. But when the headlines are goof after goof after goof, most of which are between enormously costly to downright dangerous to this country and its people, it's not a question of xenophobia to call to book whether the people being allowed in to Britain are actually good for Britain.
Years ago, you had to have the skills that Canada wanted, and $100,000 in your account, in order to be considered for residency. I don't know what the USA wants, or Australia, but some countries certainly had the right idea 20, 30 years ago about who they wanted to let in, and the TYPE (not the race) of person they didn't want. They didn't want unskilled or low-skilled litter-pickers and the broke, who'd be signing on for 'benefits' within a week. Good for them, I say. Why this country's so coy and twee about asking that incomers will REALLY benefit British society, I put firmly at the door of wishy-washy political correctness.
My own analogy to our 'official' stance on incomers seems to be like leaving both doors to your house open, with all your goodies on display, and letting anyone at all roam in and out at will. Yes, you MIGHT get someone who'll set to cooking a good meal (the skilled worker), but while they're peeling the spuds, someone's nicked the silver, another's set up a brothel in your bedroom, another one's dealing drugs from the back door, a religious fundie's burned the tv, and a small gang are breaking down your car to sell to Korea. Super-smashing-marvellous!
If we have government agencies and addled officials who don't know the difference between an illegal immigrant, a genuine asylum seeker, a dangerous ex-con from Uzbekhistan, the Ukraine, or Nigeria, and a madrassa-schooled, al-Queda trained extremist, you can hardly put the blame on 'society'!
We (that is, British society) has been very badly let down by a swamp of harebrained political correctness, from the ill-starred, forced, 'Care in the Community' decisions, which have seen terrible events on both sides of the issue (the attacks on the mentally unfit, and attacks on the public by them in turn); to the laxity at our various entranceways which allow inhumane gangmasters to exploit and cause the deaths of foreign workers; to the crippling of the Police with tons of quadruple-copy paperwork; to the disgraceful situations arising as I've described in the paragraph above.
If many people in Britain feel resentful or furious, they should aim their resentments and fury at the right target - the government officials who've let this country down in virtually all of its major social spheres. There will always be extremists, racists, conmen, gangsters, and people taking advantage of weak systems and weaker attitudes. That Britain is paying the price for these lapses in control and common sense is tragic. I'm not sure that a change of party will reverse the damage done, but change has got to come, and quickly, too. Perhaps if Reid's proposed splitting of the Home Office into more manageable portions is successful - and the incompetent deadwood thrown out quickly - we can get back on track. But when the headlines are goof after goof after goof, most of which are between enormously costly to downright dangerous to this country and its people, it's not a question of xenophobia to call to book whether the people being allowed in to Britain are actually good for Britain.
Years ago, you had to have the skills that Canada wanted, and $100,000 in your account, in order to be considered for residency. I don't know what the USA wants, or Australia, but some countries certainly had the right idea 20, 30 years ago about who they wanted to let in, and the TYPE (not the race) of person they didn't want. They didn't want unskilled or low-skilled litter-pickers and the broke, who'd be signing on for 'benefits' within a week. Good for them, I say. Why this country's so coy and twee about asking that incomers will REALLY benefit British society, I put firmly at the door of wishy-washy political correctness.
My own analogy to our 'official' stance on incomers seems to be like leaving both doors to your house open, with all your goodies on display, and letting anyone at all roam in and out at will. Yes, you MIGHT get someone who'll set to cooking a good meal (the skilled worker), but while they're peeling the spuds, someone's nicked the silver, another's set up a brothel in your bedroom, another one's dealing drugs from the back door, a religious fundie's burned the tv, and a small gang are breaking down your car to sell to Korea. Super-smashing-marvellous!
