Muttley
At the Start
I disagree.
Firstly, I don't buy them. As it happens I buy neither tabloids nor broadsheets as I happen to think that every paper colours the majority of the stories it publishes with its own particular brand of political, or social, thought.
Secondly, I'm afraid it's a constant cycle - press feeds public feeds press feeds public, ad infinitum. The press, should it choose to be responsible, which it won't, could break the cycle.
It was a chorographed interview Pro
Could you not see that? Why do you think she was given a 1 hour debrief, and read from auto queue, about hings she couldn't have known about otherwise. Unless of course, you're telling me she's so sharp she can adapt spontaneously on the spot. :brows: C'mon , a bit of thought please? [/b][/quote]Yes i believe she can. She's not as thick as she's makes out, i know that for a fact.
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Etta Place
Guest
Can't help feeling that Jade's 'career' will follow a similar pattern to Kate Moss' after the 'she did/she didn't 'do' cocaine' episode. The public have short memories and as someone else pointed out, love a repentant sinner. Business contracts which Kate Moss lost seem to have been replaced with equally rewarding ones fairly quickly after the alleged incident happened.
From the parts I have seen, I think Jade is more poorly educated than racist, adn that Shilpa has handled the whole week with great dignity.
From the parts I have seen, I think Jade is more poorly educated than racist, adn that Shilpa has handled the whole week with great dignity.
David Kelly
At the Start
Very probing question by McCall:
" So Jade are you racist?" as if Goody was going to say " ok guv its a fair cop ye i am racist"
In the Mail today it says Goody was made aware of events outside the house after which she made a pretence of an apology to the fragrant Shilpa.
Talk about being coached to save her career.
" So Jade are you racist?" as if Goody was going to say " ok guv its a fair cop ye i am racist"
In the Mail today it says Goody was made aware of events outside the house after which she made a pretence of an apology to the fragrant Shilpa.
Talk about being coached to save her career.
Erm, is Jackson going to get the same "Are you a Racist"Originally posted by The Pro@Jan 20 2007, 09:15 AM
The biggest racist in there is Jackson.
"Now thats what WE call WHITE trash" When referring to Jade's mum.
Has everyone forgotten about that, Why aren't the whites burning Golly Wog dolls.
I think not because he's black.
Erm, is Jackson going to get the same "Are you a Racist"Originally posted by The Pro+Jan 20 2007, 05:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Pro @ Jan 20 2007, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Pro@Jan 20 2007, 09:15 AM
The biggest racist in there is Jackson.
"Now thats what WE call WHITE trash" When referring to Jade's mum.
Has everyone forgotten about that, Why aren't the whites burning Golly Wog dolls.
I think not because he's black. [/b][/quote]
I brought this up back on page 4 of this thread but it seems to have been ignored.
Odd that.
Lads, ye are not doing yereselves any favours in the arguement by pointing out the supposed racism in Mr Jackson's quote. The reality is, and you know the reality is, that its not how it works in the real world. The oppressed majority...doesnt really work.
I dont believe that Jade is racist in the BNP sense. My impression from her is one I'd say is pretty common throughout the world, she is the benign type of racist, the type who has it engrained for better or worse by society that being white is better. So without the intellegence to debate or argue, she uses race jokes in much the same way as fat jokes are used. Its not malicious just reverting to using stereotypes without having the intellegence to know how offensive they can be.
Like those who appreciated Mind Your Language etc way back when, and still say that it was only a bit of fun.
So, it seems the same people here are saying at the one side that she is a gormless bully who is essentially too stupid to be racist, but at the same time so intellegent that she is manouvering her future career without prompting from outside. I dont think Jade's defenders can have it both ways.
Long and short of it. She is an idiot that shouldnt have the publicity that she does. I'm guessing that there are plenty of girls with little enough going for them who would love to have Jade's life, and the sooner she is out of the papers and off the screens, the better for everyone.
I dont believe that Jade is racist in the BNP sense. My impression from her is one I'd say is pretty common throughout the world, she is the benign type of racist, the type who has it engrained for better or worse by society that being white is better. So without the intellegence to debate or argue, she uses race jokes in much the same way as fat jokes are used. Its not malicious just reverting to using stereotypes without having the intellegence to know how offensive they can be.
Like those who appreciated Mind Your Language etc way back when, and still say that it was only a bit of fun.
So, it seems the same people here are saying at the one side that she is a gormless bully who is essentially too stupid to be racist, but at the same time so intellegent that she is manouvering her future career without prompting from outside. I dont think Jade's defenders can have it both ways.
Long and short of it. She is an idiot that shouldnt have the publicity that she does. I'm guessing that there are plenty of girls with little enough going for them who would love to have Jade's life, and the sooner she is out of the papers and off the screens, the better for everyone.
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But despite making headlines in India for her behaviour towards the Bollywood star on the Channel 4 show, the 25-year-old has now been invited to visit the country.
In an advert placed in several of today’s national newspapers, the India Tourism Office extends her a welcoming hand.
In an illustration of the old maxim that all publicity is good publicity, the office takes the opportunity to boast of India’s "bustling cosmopolitan cities", "snow-clad mountains" and "long sandy coastlines".
The open letter "to Jade Goody and friends" reads: "Dear Jade Goody. Once your current commitments are over, may we invite you to experience the healing nature of India.
"Being one of the world’s oldest civilisations, our land is one where the ancient and the modern co-exist and a multitude of religions live in harmony."
It continues: "As a beauty therapist, you may be especially interested in visiting one of the many spas where you can cleanse your stresses away, enjoy yoga in the land that invented it and experience Ayurvedic healing which promotes positive health and natural beauty."Not entirely sure what this means, but have the idea that the comments are justified if they come from the "oppressed" but not from the "oppressors"
If so, might be worth remebering that many Germans felt economically "oppressed" by the jews not so long ago
lets hope that isnt what you meant
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Ardross
Guest
I agree
The point that is so often missed is that discrimination takes place when you do something on racial grounds not when it is racially motivated .
Thus if race is a a material factor in the way someone is less favourably treated then it is discrimination on grounds of race alhough the person acting in that way may not have intended to act in a racially motivated manner .
One problem is that the word " racist " is used to describe both forms of conduct yet always thought to mean deliberate racist motivation a la the BNP.
I have no doubt that race has played a major part in how Shilpa has been unfavourably treated and I regret that I am not won over by Jade's crocodile tears.
Garney
So you are saying that you meant its ok for the oppressed (germans in this case) to have bigoted views about the "oppressors" (jews as was )then?
I would just hope u have misunderstood my point...
If not...well
And if that is the case, who decides whos an "oppressor" and whos "oppressed"?
Well?
A little old white lady living on an estate on Moss Side? An oppressor?
(the rest of your points are good
. Mind you language was a deeply offensive programme and i was baffled that it was allowed on TV. But then again Braveheart and the Patriot were deeply offensive films too)
So you are saying that you meant its ok for the oppressed (germans in this case) to have bigoted views about the "oppressors" (jews as was )then?
I would just hope u have misunderstood my point...
If not...well
And if that is the case, who decides whos an "oppressor" and whos "oppressed"?
Well?
A little old white lady living on an estate on Moss Side? An oppressor?
(the rest of your points are good
. Mind you language was a deeply offensive programme and i was baffled that it was allowed on TV. But then again Braveheart and the Patriot were deeply offensive films too)Clivex, dont labour on the point, as I wont argue over it with anyone who is vaguely insinuating that I am a nazi in support of the holocaust as a rebuttal to a discussion about Jade Goody. If you want to move back to the main topic and try to defend your views on Jade Goody, fine. It you want to hone in on a ridiculous assertion, you can do so on your own.
No way was i insinuating that....but bigotry is wrong both ways. "oppressors" or not
thats my point....
and in no way is it defending "views on jade goody". Different point altogther. as ive made clear..she was wrong...but assuming it was just purely based on race can only be made by those who didnt see the interaction between the parties
thats my point....
and in no way is it defending "views on jade goody". Different point altogther. as ive made clear..she was wrong...but assuming it was just purely based on race can only be made by those who didnt see the interaction between the parties
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Griffin
Guest
I'm sure it's only a matter of days before we see Jade in the papers surrounded by a group of Indian children, all beaming for the camera. Next we'll see Jade outside the Taj Mahal arm in arm with Shilpa or perhaps posing a la Princess Di. Yes! That's it! Jade could become the new 'Queen Of Hearts', cuddling babies in hospital and walking across minefields! What a way to redeem her career!
Colin Phillips
At the Start
I like the bit about "walking across minefields", Griffin! 
:lol: Might require more than your average APM to stop her though
Must admit I'm totally convinced she's an out and out racist either, for many of the reasons mentioned. I think she better fits the description of the benign stupid who uses race as one of many vehicles to try and make up for her lack of eloquence elsewhere. Mind you, I don't buy into this notion that she can't be because she's of mixed race origin herself either. That's just palpable nonesense, and racism, be it discrimination or prejudicial is not something that white people exclusively do to black people. Some of the worst cases I've encountered have been what I'll crudely call black on black racism. Mind you, you are talking the person who came within a whisker of putting Hinduism through the corporate grievance procedure :lol: Thank God that case got dropped by the complainant at the 11th hour. The daft thing is that I could probably have made it stick under the terms of reference.
Of the two I'd be more concerned that Danielle Lloyd is the more poisonous, yet she seems to have been given a remarkably easy ride.
One of the problems with defining racism is that the discrimination is in the eye of the beholder. In many respects it can therefore empower the fragile and over sensitive. It can also serve as a convenient excuse to explain away other things which are less palatable to the complainant too. I'd be lying if I said I'd never seen 'trumped up cases', and similarly lying if I said that some people didn't exist who actively sought to stir up cases, and persuade people to make allegations where they simply didn't exist. I have occasionally been put under a degree of pressure to bring such cases in the workplace, but can't recall having ever done so in fairness. If you'll permit me a generalisation, but it has been my experience that there is one distinct sub set of people who were particularly prolific at making the allegation, one I susepct has happened is that successive training and awareness regimes, have conditioned some people to a way of thought and perception that hasn't always been helpful.
Having said that, any of the comments made by Goody that featured on the news would have meant she'd have been facing a racial abuse case if they'd been repeated in the work place
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Ardross
Guest
:lol:
Clivex has made a very good point but he doesn't seem to understand it .
Clivex has made a very good point but he doesn't seem to understand it .