Champions Day

G-G said:
Great ride but maybe ride of the day was Lordan on Gordon Lord Bryon, fantastic timing to come through the gap.
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Just watched this race for the first time. Couldn't quite believe he squeezed through like that. Jockey has b***s of steel
 
I enjoyed the racing today, back stories etc. But hyping todays card as a Champion day is like hyping the November meeting as the Festival. Interesting G2/3's in bottomless ground. That's all.
 
G-G said:
**** up of the day was Hughes on Night Of Thunder. I really don't know how he gets away with it. You can predict to the stride the mess he is going to get in.
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Made a dog's breakfast of it, but he's not entirely to blame - the stable know NOT needs a stern test at the trip, yet allowed the race to be run at a comparative dawdle. Not the first time this season either, as we had much the same scenario in the SJP, the Sussex and the Moulin, yet they house an endless string of potential pacemakers.
Always had Hughsie down as a good judge of pace, but races like this cast serious doubt on someone's tactical awareness in the stable; imho anyway.
 
EC1 said:
123 horses..are Group 1 horses though..if they aren't..what level are they?

you need to get back down to earth DO..we been spoiled since STS came along..we had a good run of proper 130 types...now we back to average fare..then again best horse in world at the trip and ground ran today..and ROTW looked a 130 horse on last years 3rd..so not sure what you want to be honest
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Anything around 123 is entitled to be placed in a G1 assuming it's an ordinary affair. As I keep saying, I'm not satisfied that it is a proper G1 unless the winner posts at least 126. To settle for anything less is to accept substandard performers and/or performances. It's bit like saying Dawn Run was a top class hurdler/chaser... :whistle:
 
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EC1 said:
it will be interesting to see what speed figure Timeform and yourself gets ..you will be surprised i think DO..i'm pretty conservative but i get a 129 speed figure for Noble Mission today.....which means he is still improving with the headgear and that Al Kazeem is back to his very best

on paper..this is a very strong renewal of this race imo
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Almost as fast as Robot Boy, then... :p :p
 
I cannot quite see what Hughes did wrong on Night of Thunder - they all came over to the stands side and that is where the deadwood was too in front - had he stayed there almost certainly he would have run into the back of them - none appeared to come off the rail . It was just bad luck that a gap did not come .
 
Charm Spirit for sure went off too big. Straight forward whereas N.O.T needed a couple of things to go his way. As someone who was on NOT I feared my fete early doors, and the finish was predictable.
I do wish Hughes had tried something different when early doors it was clear he would need a fair bit of luck.
But hey ho that's racing and the risk you take.
 
Peslier said afterwards they weren't going too fast up front so he was much better placed throughout than Hughes. I wouldn't have been happy if I'd backed Night Of Thunder. It looked like Hughes was in his trademark show-off mode whereas Peslier was in his trademark win-the-race mode.
 
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Ardross said:
I cannot quite see what Hughes did wrong on Night of Thunder - they all came over to the stands side and that is where the deadwood was too in front - had he stayed there almost certainly he would have run into the back of them - none appeared to come off the rail . It was just bad luck that a gap did not come .
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if it were not a big race you would thought he was in a non trier

stands rail was the place to be and having a top draw he held the horse up to be coming form the back of the field on heavy ground.

put ryan moore on the horse yesterday and he wins the race by 2 lengths,

it was not only a bad ride, it was a stupid ride.
 
sunybay said:
put ryan moore on the horse yesterday and he wins the race by 2 lengths,

it was not only a bad ride, it was a stupid ride.
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If you watch the replay you'll see Moore also stayed towards the inside hoping for the gaps to appear, which didn't happen. If he'd been on NOT he'd have done the same thing. Hughes tried to remedy a bad situation but it didn't work for him. Moore didn't and ended up giving up on his chances. The draw probably ended up playing a big part in the outcome despite the smallish field but Peslier may just have been on the best horse.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Almost as fast as Robot Boy, then... :p :p
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you have seriously underestimated this race..i won't need years to come to decide its a very very good performance..Noble Mission has posted a near 130 figure here..and still you won't admit you have got it wrong

and by the way..at no point did i say that Robot Boy... had posted a big overall figure..at any time........so you might think you being clever hiding behind the supposed humour of that comment ...its basically a belittling comment saying my figure is wrong...but over a period of time..i get it right more than i get it wrong..although on here there is always someone to highlight my wrongs..the same people never respond when i'm right or post winners up on here..including you

when i get it wrong..i admit it..you have it wrong here...but you'll never admit it.
 
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Attendance 4000 up on last year and second biggest so far. That pretty well confirms that the project is a success and it is here to stay.
 
Had he switched outside of Captain Cat, he'd have had a clear path home. By not doing so, he ceded a 2l start to Charm Spirit, which he was never quite able to claw back on the ground.
Had they ensured a proper pace, the field wouldn't have been bunched as they were, and this discussion would have been totally unnecessary.
 
Has someone hacked EC1's account?

I've emailed you an apology, EC1, but will post one openly here (although I'm pretty sure you said RB put up a G1 performance at Newcastle).

There was no intention on my part to belittle your comment (and certainly not you personally). I thought we knew each other well enough to exchange a bit of banter. If my comment came across the wrong way then please accept my apology.

I will take some time during the week to go back over my figures for Noble Mission but I'm pretty sure I had him as a 118 dog before this season. I reckon he has clearly shaken off the dog tag this year and has put up some sterling performances but I don't think I have him running better than 123 (about 128 on Timeform's scale).

I'd also like to think you would know absolutely from my email correspondence with you that I frequently admit to getting things wrong.

To repeat, it seems I have hit a raw nerve with you, which was entirely unintentional and for which I apologise.

PS - you were one of the ones who received an email from me some time back explaining in advance why I was no longer putting up certain stuff on the forum.
 
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Desert Orchid said:
Has someone hacked EC1's account?

I've emailed you an apology, EC1, but will post one openly here (although I'm pretty sure you said RB put up a G1 performance at Newcastle).

There was no intention on my part to belittle your comment (and certainly not you personally). I thought we knew each other well enough to exchange a bit of banter. If my comment came across the wrong way then please accept my apology.

I will take some time during the week to go back over my figures for Noble Mission but I'm pretty sure I had him as a 118 dog before this season. I reckon he has clearly shaken off the dog tag this year and has put up some sterling performances but I don't think I have him running better than 123 (about 128 on Timeform's scale).

I'd also like to think you would know absolutely from my email correspondence with you that I frequently admit to getting things wrong.

To repeat, it seems I have hit a raw nerve with you, which was entirely unintentional and for which I apologise.

PS - you were one of the ones who received an email from me some time back explaining in advance why I was no longer putting up certain stuff on the forum.
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cheers DO..have sent an email

like i said..i think AK has run his best race and NM is getting better..the timefigure is really solid

you'll see when you do your figures
 
I'll have a look once I get the form pullout on Wednesday. I do like to keep an open mind about some things but race and going conditions yesterday are already concerning me about the reliability of the times.

Only the mile and the handicap were run over the same c&d and even then the far side were miles clear in the closer. Then there's the different courses (and why didn't anyone opt for the Bari route?)

This sounds like I'm taking pre-conceived ideas into my analysis but it's something I'm trying to avoid.

I'll get back to you once I've checked.
 
Charm Spirit not getting the credit he deserves here. NOT wouldn't have got past him if he had another 2f; Charm Spirit picked up again when NOT came to him. A lot of pocket talking if you ask me....
 
Leading Light retired after sustaining career ending and possibly life threatening injuries during the opening race, the Long Distance Cup. Said to hubby as they crossed the line that I thought the winning jockey would be lucky to escape a serious ban for barging match where LL got squeezed up. Thought that was more serious than the ride given NM who responded so gamely to the jockey.

Hopefully LL can be saved for stud duty - the interview with Aidan on ATR just now showed him to be quite cut up about it. THe fact he didnt really mention much about it said more than having an indepth discussion.

Will this Champions Day go down as good but always with the aside "but remember it was heavy"?
 
Blimey that's a bit harsh Suny. He certainly wouldn't have won 2 lengths if at all. The early pace put paid to that.
I was firmly in the Charm Spirit camp in the French race as I think he has a bit more boot. Just takes NOT a little time to hit his stride. I thought he could reverse the form with this stiffer test.
You are though reliant on pace which he didn't get. The way the race was run, Charm Spirit won on merit imo.
 
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NOT was beaten so easily by kingman earlier in the season, was difficult to believe IMO judged on that evidence he would win on saturday, so going into saturdays race, charm spirit had the best recent form and the race worked out nicely for the backers, now the horse is a triple group 1 winner in a row. NOT backers didnt get a good ride form R HUGHES.
well done to lady cecil, who has shown shes very good at improving horses and has worked miracles this year with noble mission, and the placing of the horse in its winning races.
 
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