Coral Eclipse

Listening to the owner of GH. He would love to win the KG, even over the ARC. Seems very keen to take that race in. Whether Gosden is as keen we shall see.
 
I think assuming he comes out of the eclipse in good order, it would make sense to run GH in the KG.

Jack Hobbs rating has gone 4 pounds up after the Irish Derby. On OR he is just 3 pounds below GH. He has got more scope than the Derby winner on my book, on physic and pedigree, so although I tend to disagree, I can understand why some people think he might turn the tables next time they both meet regardless of ground/fitness, etc..
What really puzzles me is how come TGG drops 3 pounds in OR after his most encouraging race this year in the POW. I know he has run three times below his best this year , but clearly he is gaining form and at his best, he is still a better horse than GH on OR. Pity this renewal is not going to suit his style of racing though.
 
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LBM said:
I think assuming he comes out of the eclipse in good order, it would make sense to run GH in the KG.

Jack Hobbs rating has gone 4 pounds up after the Irish Derby. On OR he is just 3 pounds below GH. He has got more scope than the Derby winner on my book, on physic and pedigree, so although I tend to disagree, I can understand why some people think he might turn the tables next time they both meet regardless of ground/fitness, etc..
What really puzzles me is how come TGG drops 3 pounds in OR after his most encouraging race this year in the POW. I know he has run three times below his best this year , but clearly he is gaining form and at his best, he is still a better horse than GH on OR. Pity this renewal is not going to suit his style of racing though.
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but the general belief..not just Reet..Weekender apparently saying it too...is that it won't play to GH's strengths either..so if GH beats TGG they are both at the same disadvantage..according to the general view.

I don't think they will run GH into the ground either like Euro suggsts could happen.....he is an unbeaten horse..and as that builds ...connections won't want it spoiled by over racing him

GH not long ago was considered a doubtful stayer for the Derby..now he seems to being viewed as a plodder that needs a lightning pace..it wasn't lightning at Nottingham or Newmarket and his gears won him both races
 
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I agree with you EC1, GH has got more gears than the rest and that's what potentially will win him this race.

I also think this is not a two horse race. I was very impressed by CM at Ascot. He was outpaced early on but finished very well putting a very good final 3f split. The 10f trip will suit and can improve with age on pedigree. Very interesting horse too.
 
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I agree with you EC1, GH has got more gears than the rest and that's what potentially will win him this race.

I also think this is not a two horse race. I was very impressed by CM at Ascot. He was outpaced early on but finished very well putting a very good final 3f split. The 10f trip will suit and can improve with age on pedigree. Very interesting horse too.
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if this were a bog standard race then CM would be everyone's fancy...basically what do you back in a slow run race?.the horse that can win at shorter and will outspeed his oppo's

i'm not seeing CM as a 10f hoss even in a slow race..its not long ago AOB was saying..oooh look at speed this shows..july cup hoss

well..for once he now has chance to prove his JC statement..this is a horse he thought was JC hoss and now runs middle distance. I love AOB..but the JC statements about 10/12f hosses make him look daft tbh
 
Looks like Frankie is resigned to making his own pace which adds spice to an otherwise mundane race. TGG showed he was a sharper horse for the sheepskins at Ascot, and while he'll have all on to beat the Derby winner, I'd expect it to be closer than the betting would have us think.
 
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Looks like Frankie is resigned to making his own pace which adds spice to an otherwise mundane race. TGG showed he was a sharper horse for the sheepskins at Ascot, and while he'll have all on to beat the Derby winner, I'd expect it to be closer than the betting would have us think.
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if GH makes the pace that suits him it should really suit TGG a little bit more than neither of them making it..GH won't want a dawdle..but also won't go a pace that will waste him later...we know TGG needs a proper test ..which is unlikely to happen. what TGG needed was a pacemaker and to sit just behing it and run a proper searching gallop..just ignore the field behind...that is how to set the race up for him..i can't see GH going that over fast pace...so don't i see tgg figuring as a winner..just from a pace angle alone

interesting..but disappointing field
 
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thats a really good performance under the circumstances..having to make the running is against all his form..he's passed another test..he isn't just a one dimensional plodder who needs to sit off a strong pace at 12f..which i never thought he was anyway

a very good horse
 
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viking said:
Great ride by Frankie


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ignorant of me not to mention Frankie..a really good ride when it would have been easy to **** up..very pleased for Frankie..i like him as a person and jockey..he has returned to the top..takes guts and ability to do that
 
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Just for information Golden Horn didn't appear in the pre parade ring
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I was there wondering where he was

hes not the most striking looker but in the best possible hands and form that is stacking up better than any derby winner fir some time sky looks the limit

I think it is rubbish to knock the race when you look at some recent winners and contests

frankie just coaxed him along beautfully
 
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ideally we wanted a race with 10 or 12 runners run at a proper gallop... a proper race basically..would have been more fitting..but good horses win when conditions don't always suit
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TGG ran very well too. As inconvenienced as the winner regards pace yet made the winner pull it out. The winner could have folded but did the job well.
 
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TGG ran very well too. As inconvenienced as the winner regards pace yet made the winner pull it out. The winner could have folded but did the job well.
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the further they went the more he looked better..needs to go back 12f to see his best i think now..would probably win 10f races but to show best further is where its at imo..would love to see him win the KG

some good Derby winners have been beaten here..this one is above average for sure..TGG is as tough as an opponent you want to meet at 10f..this is a good win imo
 
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the further they went the more looked better..needs to go back 12f to see his best i think now..would probably win 10f races but to show best further is where its at imo..would love to see him win the KG

some good Derby winners have been beaten here..this one is above average for sure..TGG is as tough as an opponent you want to meet at 10f
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For sure 12f is what he wants to be seen at his best.

Good chance he'll go for KG if owner gets his way.
 
As Gosden said after the race "this was one for the purists". One of the best races of the year.
GH is definitely an exceptional animal. Indirectly making Jack Hobbs better along with him.
If he goes to the KG he is miles above the rest that will show up there, unless JH shows up in which case miles become lengths.
 
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fonz said:
Hope so, A rematch with Jack Hobbs would be top draw
Would still favour GH though.
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Will have to wait until the Arc for rematch. A bit of juice in the ground and throw in Treve. Karpino is one I want to see again. Hopefully they can get him to the KG.
 
Excellent race to watch-I thought Spencer had Dettori beaten3 out-both horses ran with distinction.I don't think GH will run in the Arc-the owner was very keen to state that he wanted to support British breeding by standing the horse in England -I have no doubts he will want to support Champions Day.
 
The owners and Gosden would have to be mad to allow the two to clash again.

If Jack Hobbs can win the Arc and Golden Horn remain unbeaten then both owners have won a lollipop.

btw I think people are not giving Golden Horn the credit he deserves he's the best (Frankel aside) we have seen in a very long time IMO

The Grey Gatsby is one helluva horse on his day and he looked like yesterday was his day until GH got into top gear.....he has twice trounced an exceptionally good horse in Jack Hobbs and now he's done the same thing to a horse who won the Prix Du Jockey Club and put paid to the 2014 Derby winner in the Irish Champion Stakes.
 
He's a good horse, Fist, but let's not lionise others to make him a superstar..
TGG beat mostly trees in the Jockey Club, and didn't as much beat Australia as Joseph lost on him. Unlucky in the PoW, but with the journeyman gp3 Western Hymn in 3rd and a listed winner 4th, it was hardly the gp1 pinnacle of the season. Jack Hobbs did little more in the Irish Derby than he did in the English, so it's early days to be calling him 'exceptional', either.
Golden Horn's a high class horse (who already looks to have the King George at his mercy), but showed he could be vulnerable yesterday, and it'll be a disappointing season if there aren't better horses than TGG around to test him.
 
Have to say I'm with tannic reet

the form could hardly stack up better than it has so far. at the end of the day that is all we have to go on. I fail to see why western hymn being 3rd way back is a negative . That doesn't make any sense to me.

Tgg is is a more than fair yardstick
 
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