Coral Gold Cup (Hennessey)
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Desert Orchid
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... and here's why:
Local hope well backed for Troytown after late Newbury switch | Horse Racing News | Racing Post
At least they were seriously considering Newbury.
Euronymous
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What is the deal with the Skelton horses always seeming to be chronic short. Proschema apost and Le Milos for this. How the hell is he fav, he beat a passed it Lord du Mesnil lto?
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1. Second season novice
2. 4lbs well in
3. Generally perceived to be just another Saturday hcap now (I disagree)
4. Betting lemmings liking/bookies fearing Skeltons
5. Fit and in form
6. Progressive
7. Bookies looking to sucker mugs in?
I'm not going to say it can't win but it wouldn't be fav in my book.
2. 4lbs well in
3. Generally perceived to be just another Saturday hcap now (I disagree)
4. Betting lemmings liking/bookies fearing Skeltons
5. Fit and in form
6. Progressive
7. Bookies looking to sucker mugs in?
I'm not going to say it can't win but it wouldn't be fav in my book.
chaumi
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Fanion's still on the move bluewards.
Look where he was around 3 out in the 2021 Old Roan (hint, back of the TV, pulled up??)....and the finish. You'd be forgiven for thinking it was nigh on impossible to finish where he did.
It's a shame you can't actually see what was happening in behind the 3 leaders in the RP video until they all hit the line.
Look where he was around 3 out in the 2021 Old Roan (hint, back of the TV, pulled up??)....and the finish. You'd be forgiven for thinking it was nigh on impossible to finish where he did.
It's a shame you can't actually see what was happening in behind the 3 leaders in the RP video until they all hit the line.
granger
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What is your MON figure Mo?
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Fuxake, PJ!!
You've been getting these figures by email for years and you're just asking that now?? :lol:
The MON figure is my own rating (therefore the one that counts
) I include the RPRs for comparison purposes.
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If you mean the figure at the top of that column, that's the rating I reckon it would take to win an average running of that class of race. It helps me get the race into some kind of context.
You've been getting these figures by email for years and you're just asking that now?? :lol:
The MON figure is my own rating (therefore the one that counts
) I include the RPRs for comparison purposes.Edit
If you mean the figure at the top of that column, that's the rating I reckon it would take to win an average running of that class of race. It helps me get the race into some kind of context.
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granger
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It was the 172 part here I specifically wondered
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I'm not a Stats man but there are races that do tend to follow certain sets of data. One of my reasons for not really having a heart for them is, that there are many subs sets of data that can be calculated, leading to lots of variation in outcome. But and it's a big but, the Hennessey, ok, Coral, has a glaring statistic that is, massive, enormous, gigantic, moreover...It is never used as a subset of criteria that's ever considered...
More than 50% of the winners, either front-ran, led shortly after the start, or were right up with the pace throughout....
Threeunderthrufive will attack from the get-go and I hope he will be 3 lengths clear from the fifth last. fore, fore forewarned...
More than 50% of the winners, either front-ran, led shortly after the start, or were right up with the pace throughout....
Threeunderthrufive will attack from the get-go and I hope he will be 3 lengths clear from the fifth last. fore, fore forewarned...
Already bet it as PN's sole entry.
GL to both of us.
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Doesn't that also mean that nearly 50% of the winners didn't?
I agree, though, that I'm much happier seeing what I back - in almost any race - race prominently. I think if they start out the back they're either not really trying or can't go the pace. It takes a horse with pace to win the Hennessy and that usually implies a horse with class.
3UT5 is one I wouldn't dismiss lightly on these grounds but I'm not convinced his price is value.
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That's not entirely true DO, winners yes but actual runners on the negative side no, because they amount to approximately 600 hold-up horses that failed and 30 odd front runners (95%) succeeded!.
The stat is actually much better looked at like that....as I said, not all data criteria is straight forward...fore fore fore
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I'm comfortable with that, Maxbet. The ones I've backed have strong form racing prominently
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I've decided to cover all my bets with Gericault Roque.
I'm acutely aware of Remastered's credentials and it keeps bugging me that Tom Scu has opted for GR instead. It's the one runner that I could see me looking back at after it won and kicking myself for not backing it.
I'm acutely aware of Remastered's credentials and it keeps bugging me that Tom Scu has opted for GR instead. It's the one runner that I could see me looking back at after it won and kicking myself for not backing it.
edgt
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I hope Remastered gives David Noonan the boost his career needs.
He rides very well but just needs a big race win to get him to the next level.
His last big winner unluckily broke his shoulder next start.
He rides very well but just needs a big race win to get him to the next level.
His last big winner unluckily broke his shoulder next start.
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Threeunderthrufive will have to do.
Euronymous
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Stand by that. You just can't predict that stable. **** price, one for the mug punters.
Won easiy - but without the jockey. :thumbsdown:
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Didn't appeal to me either but Skelton made it clear it was very strongly fancied. Remastered was chucked in on its best form so the form is probably extremely strong. Le Milos is just a big improver. I've no complaints about it winning.
I have plenty to complain about the fannies that form the starting team, though. Fuds the pair of them.
I have plenty to complain about the fannies that form the starting team, though. Fuds the pair of them.
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I’ve had more Unseats/Falls at the meeting, than placed horses. An absolute bloodbath of a weekend.
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Apparently, Fanion has run on up the straight into seventh, beaten under 20 lengths.
It's hard to believe it couldn't go the early pace given that it's not that long ago it was running over 2m.
Strange...
It's hard to believe it couldn't go the early pace given that it's not that long ago it was running over 2m.
Strange...
chaumi
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Did what he did in last year's Old Roan, out the back, seemingly outpaced, jumped the first 3 or 4 like he'd never seen a twig before. And these are not the first time either. Was detached in the Ryanair before staying on late.
Round the last bend today was not anywhere in sight, possibly 30-40 lengths behind anything else.
I'd say that finish (as it did in the Old Roan) suggests Fanion has the definite ability to have taken a hand if only he'd kept closer tabs.....the question is 'what's going on?'
Sulking at the back, but just keeps going when others would fold completely??
Looks like it'll be double risky keeping the faith, unless holding till the start and see if he can jump off front rank or, at a minimum, midfield.
I'm kind of glad he doesn't have a Welsh National entry, otherwise might be deeply tempted.