Derby weekend at the Curragh

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SteveM said:
Of course... the form horse has won the Irish Derby quite cosily (there was no big surprise about it). He has won the Chester Vase from Nathaniel (a subsequent five-length winner of the Group 2 King Edward VII Stakes), been runner-up in the Derby and has now landed a Group 1 in Ireland. He’s by Galileo and will be given every opportunity to fulfil his potential.
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The Nathaniel form line is irrelevent as that horse didn't act at Chester. I'd oppose TB next time in a Group 1 - he looked no better and maybe worse than Cape Blanco did last year.
 
Euronymous said:
The Nathaniel form line is irrelevent as that horse didn't act at Chester. I'd oppose TB next time in a Group 1 - he looked no better and maybe worse than Cape Blanco did last year.
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Cape Blanco landed rather a juicy Gr1 last year after the Irish Derby
 
Bar the Bull said:
So You Think - Eclipse, Juddmonte, Arc or Champion Stakes
St. Nicholas Abbey - King George, Foy, Arc
Fame and Glory - Goodwood Cup, Irish Leger, Staying race on Arc Day
Await the Dawn - Maybe Royal Whip, BC Classic...or Arlington Million, BC Classic.....or Woodward Stakes BC Clasic
Zoffany - Sussex, Moulin, BC Mile
Recital - Royal Whip, Irish Champion, BC Turf
Treasure Beach - GP de Paris, BC Turf or Irl / UK Leger
Seville - GP de Paris, BC Turf or Irl / UK Leger
Memphis Tennessee - Voltigeur, Leger
Misty for Me - Irish Oaks, Nassau, BC F&M Turf
Together Falmouth, Nassau
Wonder of Wonders Irish Oaks, Yorkshire Oaks, BC F&M Turf
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Definitely possible.
 
Euronymous said:
The Nathaniel form line is irrelevent as that horse didn't act at Chester. I'd oppose TB next time in a Group 1 - he looked no better and maybe worse than Cape Blanco did last year.
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Of course it's not irrelevant it is part of the form of both horses and proves that one can beat the other under particular circumstances.
 
SteveM said:
Of course it's not irrelevant it is part of the form of both horses and proves that one can beat the other under particular circumstances.
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That's like backing Planet of Sound for the Gold Cup on the basis that he had a decision over Denman.
 
How did we get to the conclusion that Nathaniel didn't act ? I thought he acted fine but just couldn't quicken past TB.
 
Euronymous said:
That's like backing Planet of Sound for the Gold Cup on the basis that he had a decision over Denman.
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It's not "like" anything... It is a piece of form that is as relevant as any piece of form. All form is a (limited) proof of something. It doesn't mean that it should necessarily determine how you have a bet if you bellieve an overriding factor negates the form on a future occasion.

However, together with commercial considerations, form and level of rating in Group races largely determines whether a horse will become a stallion or not.
 
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I will try myself:


So You Think - Eclipse, Juddmonte, Arc and Breeders Cup Turf
St. Nicholas Abbey - King George, Irish St Leger.
Fame and Glory - york race and Arc.
Await the Dawn - GP Deauville or Irish Champion, Arc and BC Classic
Zoffany - Sussex, Moulin,QEII, BC Mile
Recital - Royal Whip, Niel, Arc
Treasure Beach - GP de Paris, UK Leger, Arc
Seville - GP de Paris, Irish Champion and Champion st
Memphis Tennessee - Voltigeur, Leger, Arc as pacemaker.
Misty for Me - Nassau,gr1 forfillies in sept 1m, Opera, BC F&M Turf
Together many races
Wonder of Wonders Irish Oaks, Yorkshire Oaks, Vermeille, BC F&M Turf
 
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