Fox Hunting

The dogs may not have a specific use anymore, but if the keep can be achieved despite the loss of the hunt, then why should they be killed?
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but their only use is for the hunt thats their specific reason for being in the planet why on earth should huntsman be expected to look after them
no use no life as they say in deep down huntsville


I'm quite certain that if the money was being used to ensure the livelihoods of staff and the welfare of animals was maintained that the "countryside" in it's current mood would do so. If this changes in the future then it will be gradual and fairly
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come on mate the country side alliance and its followers having an interest in the livelhood of their staff and welfare of animals is about as likely as a turkey looking forward to christmas dinner



as mentioned before foxes are wily buggers who will try anything to get away. The old/sick aren't quite as good at it as the young 'uns!
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the indeceny of these bloody foxes in trying to stay alive bloody disgusting i say
birch them all


this ancient & magnificent sport
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the same description was given to cock fighting bear baiting witch burning



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Why would an advocate of the hunting ban (who has made no secret of the fact whatsoever) walk slap-bang into the middle of a pro-hunting demonstration except to provoke? What a tosser. Out of interest, Ardross, thought you might be interested to read the letter of complaint that tosser Simon Hart of the CA has sent the Labour Party regarding this arsehole -


and now to finsish things off onlypeople whom share pro hunting views (a minority) are allowed to walkon street without being hassled or raciallyabused by a bunch of vermin called the countryside alliance
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Simmo...I'm quite busy at work at the moment, but I will endeavour to put something later if no-one else does!
 
Misuse of the Parliament Act - what rubbish

The Parliament Act 1949 reduced the period by which the Lords could delay legislation to one year . The objection apparently being that the Parliament Act was used to get the change through. If anyone in the CA seriously has been advised that a High Court Judge is likely to attack the Parliamnet Act 1949 s/he is seriously misguided
 
Derek,

"It would be quite easy to cherry pick from them,passages that would back up my arguement."

Please do.

I know many families with two or three cars parked at their house, they don't have two pennies to rub together though.


Adross,

"Oh really - this is a new one - walking down the street is intended to provoke !!!"

Oh really- and if 'My Willie' or Geoff were to have walked down the street amongst some protesting miners, would you really expect even the most moderate to stand back and wish them a safe jouney. I think and would expect not and neither would they.


"Nobody should defend some of the extreme behaviour of miners in 1984 what appals me is that is exactly what some of you are doing vis a vis the rampant thuggery of the pro hunting supporters".

Please don't assume to include me in the above statement. Although I can fully understand their frustration (and that of the miners) I can't condone their actions.


Prince Regent,

You focuss too much on the 'kill' regarding fox hunting, probably due to the fact that you have little understanding of all that is involved. The actual 'kill' in my experience is not important in respect of the overall hunt. I've never been bothered whether they came up empty, but to watch both the hounds drawing an area under the direction of a good Master and the intelligence and skill of a fox is fascinating, something those on horseback don't really get to see.

You show your ingnorance of the subject with your remarks concerning the hounds.

I have no problem with you supporting a ban on hunting, but you write as though you know very little about it, apart from the dislike of something on occasions being killed, which of course is your choice.



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As Dom rightly points out (as anyone who knew a thing about dogs would confirm - and Derek and Prince Regent both plainly know zip), all packs have alpha males or females and in general are always the ones in front leading the rest. Pack kills are just about the quickest form of death there is to any animal the size of a fox and there's never a chance of a lingering death. I can understand how many may not like the idea but that's how it is.


Simmo - it is possible to cull foxes by shooting them but it is a very skilled and far more dangerous way of doing it and will always result in a percentage being wounded, not killed. Insurance is also a problem. And to be perfectly honest, while the farmer does indeed get a 'return' by having a manageable fox population using this method, you have to realise that Hunting has its own community and social way of life and it's being forced to give this up that is causing so much deep-seated resentment in rural areas. OK, I'm sure Derek and PR will just say 'tough' (only far more unpleasantly) and live with it but that's the point. Farming and those trades allied with hunting are not 9 - 5 jobs in general and those trades are very isolating. Maybe those actively involved with hunting will be able to form another type of social structure - well, they'll have to when Hunting with dogs is banned - but many of the activities that draw these people together (building hunt fences, managing woodland and balancing out the need for the right amount of cover for both foxes and shoots etc, raising funds, organising the p-t-ps, walking hunt pups before they enter the pack, organising shows etc etc ) will simply disappear as their motivation to do all these things disappears.


The hounds need to work. They also need to be exercised. Yes, I suppose they could be maintained in their kennels until they die but without their brains being stimulated and their hunting instincts fulfilled, you will get an increase in fighting between the dogs. It would be far kinder to put them down, in my opinion, though others may have good ideas as to their future use.

For a while at least, most genuine hunt supporters will ensure that their employed staff will continue to be financially supported until they can find alternative employment but in rural areas, jobs aren't exactly thick on the ground and much of the accommodation is tied and often owned by landowners who support the hunt.

Deadstock collection costs the Hunts money - only a small part of the animal can used to feed the hounds - the rest goes into the incinerators that the Hunt funds to run as a service to those landowners they hunt over. Incinerators cost a lot of money to run and the regulations that have to be adhered to are, rightly, very strict. The hunts pick up a lot more deadstock than they ever need. So, in future, they would have to be charging a commercial rate and for what point? They're being banned from doing what they love doing, so why keep the whole enterprise going ?

Huntsman love their hounds - they can pick out anyone from the pack at a glance and not only name them, but their pedigree as well... they're stockmen, pure and simple. And I can guarantee you that they would sooner the hounds were humanely destroyed than watch them moulder in kennels like so many unwanted pets in rescue centres up and down the country do month after month.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@Sep 30 2004, 08:42 AM
I lived right in the thick of it, the countryside was like a graveyard, we weren't allowed to ride our horses out, we weren't allowed to walk our dogs, we weren't allowed to walk on any footpaths/bridalways/by-ways whatsoever.
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I never lived anywhere near it but I also was not permitted to do these things and as far as I know niether was anyone else.
 
Morning,
taken from a site very close to the CA branch of the Young Farmers Club.

In the interest of Hygiene.tha Alpha female Hounds will,in future, issue Mess Tins and KFS to each hound.It will be the Alpha Males responsibility to dish out measured portions of any Fox lucky enough to have died of heart failure,at the scene.

Each Hound will be responsible for the washing and general cleanliness of its own set of utensils.

Matters of good order and Hunt discipline shall be the responsibility of some a sober member of the Hunt (human branch)if one can be found.
 
Tetley - I didn't have much choice, it was right in front of me and, unlike you, I don't wish to bury my head in the sand about the more unpleasant facts of life. Which is probably why you eat supermarket beef/pork and chicken or convenience dishes using any of these products and I don't. If you're a veggie, my apologies.

And, without respect, that fact that you didn't live in the heart of the countryside quite obviously meant it didn't affect you in any way as badly as those of us who did.
 
I don't wish to bury my head in the sand about the more unpleasant facts of life.

Why then,will you not accept that Hunting with Hounds will be history in 2 years time?
 
It has been inferred that foxhunting is a class thing but denied by the pro faction, it's roots are certainly from the elite but now enjoyed by the lesser well off simply because of our increased wealth just as Horse Racing was once the sport of kings.

I have photographs of my wife's grandmother with a fox stole draped around her shoulders another with three foxes joined with a clip at their mouths with eyes popping out like glass beads.

I saw these once hung in wardrobe along with other furs and they looked really odd,dead animals as apparel to make ladies look and feel good.

These were a sign of wealth and are still available in synthetic form today.

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For a while at least, most genuine hunt supporters will ensure that their employed staff will continue to be financially supported until they can find alternative employment but in rural areas, jobs aren't exactly thick on the ground and much of the accommodation is tied and often owned by landowners who support the hunt.
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one bit of good news anyway fromthe knowledgable one at least the taxpayer wont have to support them
at least if its not part of her daily dreams
 
Tetley: I am no more making assumptions about you, than you are about me.

Derek: try reading what I have actually written, not what you think I have written. No where have I said hunting won't be banned. I've said it shouldn't be, which is NOT the same thing.

Prince Regent: Thank you for the acknowledgement that I know a little about what I've been commenting on - I appreciate it. :P
 
I think it's more Prince Regent knows little about what he is commenting on.

I'll gladly accept the basic choice that hunting should be banned, but the reasoning behind it is both naive and inaccurate.



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I'll gladly accept the basic choice that hunting should be banned,

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blimey griff thats very kind slightly patronising by very kind netherless that other people are allowed to hold alternative views to your good self

i feel almost honoured


just a pity you feel the need to insult them

but their again thats probably the substanance of your arguments



I think it's more Prince Regent knows little about what

he is commenting on.
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and is that in 90 minutes since myposting the best insult you can come up with

for originaltity shall we say 3/10

content 2/10

patheticness 10/10
 
Prince Regent,

I have no problem at all with anybody having a different opinion to my own, I openly supported it on another thread that was then locked!!

As I said, it's the uninformed substance of your arguements that bears no credit and was not intended as an insult, why should it?



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Derek and Prince Regent,

With the expected demise of fox hunting, how would you plan to control the fox population from that point onwards, or would you just leave it and hope for the best?

Over here, the interfering 'knowlittles' in their wisdom managed to ban the Spring Bear Hunt, now we have a population explosion with the bear territory being forced to expand into unsuitable habitat. They are now South nearly as far as us and a friend recently opened his back door to investigate some noise and was more than a little surprised to see a big bear up on his haunches not 12 feet away. The bear was probably more surprised than him and was no danger, but if his dog or child had been outside, things may have been different. Like the fox, the bear has no predator, so culling is the only reasonable control. (Bear hunting is not hunting as in fox hunting, they just set out a meat bait, wait in a tree hide and execute him/her when feeding).

I know the fox will not be an aggressive danger, but will be a problem in both town and country as they require more territory. At present, many towns are trapping the foxes and dumping them, mange and all, in the country, there is only so much of this merry-go-round that can be sustained.





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