Fox Hunting

I was going to give you an intro Griff re bears for I know that there was a problem with culling in your neck of the woods.
The main difference with the bears and the basils is that with the bears, there is no dressing up and the carnival before setting off with the canine posse.

You will hear every time that basil has cleaned out the chickens and lambs etc but from basil's point of view he just sees the chickens and he gets to em not seeing them as monetary units.
After so many chickens have been got at I think I could make a fox proof pen !

Who classed the fox as vermin ?
I look at them and see a dog not unlike a Finnish Spitz.

Why isn't the cat classed as vermin afterall they kill more wildlife than basil ever will and they do it out of instinct not because they are hungry.

Gonna get into the trench now ready for the flak....
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.....excuse me for thinking your above post is a joke???

Who classed the fox as vermin? Erm......even the anti hunting brigade tend to acknowledge a fox as vermin & recognise the need to cull the population. You see a dog? How many dogs do you know that kill indiscriminately daily just for the sake of it? The same reasoning goes for cats, they do not kill more wildlife than a fox; where do you get your misinformation from?? I haven't come across many cats that will kill a field full of lambs, or a coopful of chickens!!! Also, as Jules & others who know will verify, a fox does not kill merely for food; a fox will kill everything it can in a pen/coop/run whatever, & feed on maybe one of the carcasses before abandoning the rest.

And as for
After so many chickens have been got at I think I could make a fox proof pen !
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again, excuse me for falling on the floor in convulsions of laughter once more. Do you not think that farmers & landowners have been trying to do this for generations? It's not quite that easy mate, they can dig for a long way & they have pretty sharp teeth for hacking their way into most things.
 
Shadow - if you will excuse me I'll be back later after I have watched Michael Palin,
always worth watching.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@Oct 3 2004, 04:48 PM
kill indiscriminately daily just for the sake of it?;
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This is just our interpretation of what a fox is doing. My own thoughts are that the fox kills everything it can while it can hoping to go back and scavenge on what is left after his fill. I would like to know if a hungry fox has killed and undisturbed just walked away without eating.
 
Once again, I must disabuse you green-wellied villagers, who wouldn't know an ASDA superstore from a pedestrianised shopping centre, of this feeble notion that us leftie townies don't know our subject matter here.

I'll have you know that - having watched Basil Brush as a child (ok, adult too) - I'm very familiar with the behavioural patterns of said Reynard.

You just can't go letting hounds rip popular kid's TV icons to death without incurring the wrath of the majority of the populace.

You'll be hunting Sooty and Sweep next. :lol:
 
hello Shadow luv,
I thought you had been brought up in the country, I must be mistaken.
I can recount many instances of different dog breeds that have worried, terrorised and killed livestock and even when farmers have quite rightly shot the offending dogs.
Cats do kill much more wildlife than the fox that is unless you class sheep and chickens as wildlife and even then I'd say they do.
Countless thousands of birds plus everything else that moves in the garden.

I am speaking as an owner of 7 cats who are the present lot of a never ending line of rescued ones that will always give me a mixture of pleasure and grief re the wildlife especially the birds.

How many children and adults have been maimed, disfigured and killed by our domestic dogs ? a lot.
Never heard of a fox doing that even though he ventures well into our towns and cities.
You must be having a laugh re not being able to build a fox proof pen, too silly to even argue about, truth is that they cannot be bothered and the losses are negligible.
My idea of vermin are phaedophiles and their like, did you see the one that had a sentence given as too lenient for raping and 18 month old child ?

When we catch them, they are given a trial and then if they are found guilty, are housed fed and watered with better facilities than they deserve.

I digress but feel strongly on the vermin issue as you do with your 'magnificent sport'

I do hope you watch Michael Palin, on at 9 pm BBC 1
 
Nah..Sweep will be ok, Sooty was the bloody anmoying one!!! C'mon..it'd be doing the world a favour....... :lol:

And Tetley....these things have been closely observed...believe me, the fox does not come back to retrieve the remaining bodies.
 
Vermin is a term given to animals which are considered by humans to be pests or nuisances, most associated with the carrying of disease. Disease-carrying rodents and insects are the usual case but the term can also apply to larger animals, on the basis that they exist out of ecological balance with their environment, consuming excessive resources.
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Courtesy of Webster's Online Dictionary.

Honey....please don't go likening foxes to paedophiles, it seems as though you are insinuating that I don't see them as scum. However, being the right wing Tory bitch that I am, I believe that the death penalty should be re-introduced for paedophiles, as well as child murderers, serial killers & serial rapists, but that's a different casefile altogether!!! :lol:

Cats also don't tend to kill large amounts of creatures in one go, unlike foxes. They also do not kill as excessively, or as indiscriminately as foxes. As for dogs, yes, there are the ones that chase & maim livestock & they are, as you correctly say, generally shot by the farmers, & rightly so. This is part of living in the countryside, & yes, I was brought up as a country lass even if you do doubt it!! When you have dogs you do your best to train them otherwise but if they get the taste for blood there is not a lot you can do about it - I hve always been firmly of the belief that if any dog of mine bites/attacks a person it should be put down, or if it is caught harassing livestock then it is totally understandable for a farmer to shoot them. Devastating it would be if an animal of mine died in such a case, but also it is the owers responsibility to train & control their animals, therefore I would not be free from blame if such a thing happened to me, which I pray God it will not as my dog is very well trained. I have owned many animals (dogs/cats/horses et al) over the years & I know the perils of ownership.
 
Please don't call me Honey Shadow, I had this vision of Mae West addressing me :D but nevertheless will consider it as a sign of some kind of affection for me :brows:

I must take you up on your comment that cats do not kill indiscriminately as the fox, my cats couldn't care less if it's a robin, blackbird or a thrush.

Agree with your sentiments re the scum but I would not reintroduce the death penalty, I would introduce something else whereby they would put something back into society.
 
Derek,

You really know how to hurt someones feelings.........without even trying. The answer is no, thank goodness.

Have any of you leftwing socialist, interfering knownothings, any suggestions for effective ways of controlling the future fox population when a ban on hunting comes into force?

Surely Ardross or Prince Regent with their overwhelming command of the subject would have some contructive suggestions, or would you rather just bury your heads in the sand and hope it all sorts itself, or and the rabbit population increases to feed them all?

Of course the fox has to chase the rabbit to catch it, but that doesn't matter because theirs no snobbery in the fox world.



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Originally posted by Songsheet@Oct 2 2004, 02:19 PM
Tetley: I am no more making assumptions about you, than you are about me.

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Songsheet could you please tell me were I have made an assumption.
 
My office looks directly out onto the field where they were slaughtered. Unless I wanted to stop work for a couple of hours, which I couldn't afford to do (my day job is as a Finance Director of a software co - I have to work normal office hours as well), unlucky for me I had to watch and hear the guns...

And if you don't believe me, you can check with Krizon when she returns online that I am indeed speaking the truth.

Satisfied? Probably not but that's the end of this particular discussion for me.
 
I'm sure it was distressing for you and I believe your reasons. All I am saying no matter how difficult it was for you,you had a choice. you took the one you took and I have no problem with that. What I don't much adhere to is being accused of something I never did. Ie make an assumption. What I stated was a fact.
 
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