'Indigenous people and their communities and other local communities have a vital role in environmental management and development because of their knowledge and traditional practices. States should recognize and duly support their identity, culture and interests '
Taken out of context I think Dave - this refers primarily to South American (and other) tribes who's traditional ways of living are being ruined by logging firms, tourism, . If you think they meant for it to be used as a way of supporting the use of dogs to rip foxes to pieces whilst a bunch of blokes ride horses, chat away and drink brandy all morning then you're mistaken.
That said given your previous posts Dave I'm surprised you chose not to quote Principle 23 of the same convention
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Principle 23. People under Oppression
The environment and natural resources of people under oppression, domination and occupation shall be protected. "
Have a look at UNESCO too Dave as they have some interesting stuff on sustainability and environmental management.
And quoting the Fur Council on the pro's of hunting and fur farming is like asking Turkey's their thoughts on Christmas.
Okay now at least you attempt to raise some counter argument; and have least looked at the Rio dec.
Firstly, yes the declaration protects the hunting rights as a form of eco management of various tribes...not just south american but also inuit, siberian tribes , Canadian first nations, sami etc. the pnciple is the same; these tradtional practices protect the environment as it has been for many years. Unless you are suggesting that somehow there is any racial difference, why does it not apply to foxhunting which was first started by Owen Glyndawr; and developed by the Normans and their descendent as a fair...indeed a 'sporting' way of managing problem animals. To this day some of the Curre hounds have bloodlines going back to Glyndwr's hounds; and many actual 'huntsmen' and terrier men with a variety of hunts are welsh scottish or irish and have followed a well etablished family route. The principle of using predators to hunt is well established from the ancient sumerians to the celts and arabs.
All are traditional ways of managing predators or vermin or for fur or food.
Your next point appears to object to the fact the hunt is enjoyed by those on horseback ...the fox is 'ripped apart'. Do you really think that plains indians didnt enjoy chasing buffalo off a cliff to have their 'heads smashed in' or mongol horsemen don't enjoy watchng their eagles released from horseback to kill wolves. ' not blood lust its admiration of skill...manouvering you horse, or watching a predator kill....just like we do when we see cheetah bring down a gazelle on tv; if t doesn't get you adenalin up you must be so far removed from nature I dont know how you can be interested in horse racing. You also underestimate the links between the various hunting cultures of the world. Where do you think the Hunts pently got their eagle v fox training from. You also may be unaware that many of the hund in us huns brd by chkee indians; or that native americans and south american tribal representatives aswell as sami and Inuit and mongolians have been taken on hunts in the UK and supported them seeing an attack on any traditional hunting as an attack on ALL traditional hunting. If you go to my myspace you will see that I have many friends from these cultures; though I dare not link it for fear of spamming. DO NO UNDERESTIMATE OUR CAMARADERIE. At this point I would link images of my model Bridie painted with spirit paint on horseback [and I have been congratulated by many american indians on my hail markings and spirit door marks] from a shoot done with full support of native american shamen to celebrate precisely this and also the independence of the Lakota nation from the USA. Sioux leader Russell Means one time presidential nominee for the Libetarian party is currently training 100 young men to hunt buffalo from horseback on his ranch.
The buffalo are set to return.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah
I am in daily contact with native people from around the globe.
In adition my gilfrind Eliza is a leading academic expert in climate change and sustainability. Again I would link here an image of her with her Sami reindeer fur but it would be spam. So perhaps you would like to see Saba Douglas Hamilton the conservationist in sami furs instead
I am currently in negotiation with a Sami designer to add reindeer leather trousers to my PonyGurl Couture fashion collection. They will be superb to ride out in. I buy furs from the sami the evenk the Cree and others and will visit Greenland later the year with Eliza as guests of the Inuit. I also buy furs from SAGA farms which I have seen have incredible welfare standards; and rabbit fom the czech republic and nutria [coyp] fom polish farms and managed wetlands the meat of these animals is all eaten. I fail to see how it is dIfferent from leather. I also use Scottish tweed as the principle of using animals is sustainable...your polyester and synthetic clothing is not and has had devastating effect on animal habitat over the last thirty years while everyonw has been smug with themselves not for wearing fur. We shall also visit south america...patagonia chile and peru..to source nutria rex rabbit and farmed chinchilla alapaca and some of the people there the very south american tribes you talked about. Real fair trade....not the kind used to destroy leopard habitat for cheap coffee.
So you see when I linked the fur council know what I am talking about... I Am afraid its you who have again been misinfomed...they speak the truth; I know about it...and hunting...well. And I can guarantee you I have NEVER ined an act of animal cruelty. I wish I could day the same about the battery chicken industry....or indeed horse racing. Yes i think it IS cruel that it is expected jockey ride a horse out to the line and not use his sensible judgement to ride the horse when it may be tired....all for punters. I think trainer should be able to say...give him an easy run round as this ground will make his shins sore...save him for next time'. Also some elements of handcapping are cruel as they break the horses spirit.
Now to the fur council of canada. Its headed by Paula Lishman. Her 'green' credentials are not in doubt.
http://www.paulalishmaninternational.com/05_retrospective/index.shtml
neither of course husband Bill; his whole life devoted to Conservation; and the movie ; 'Fly Away Home' is about him.
Bill most famously saved the whooping crane from extinction. He and Paula are also famed for their opposition to airport development
www.thewealthreportonline.com/article/lishman.shtml
their daughter is a biologist.
Hardly propagandists for fur then if they did not one hundred per cent as conservationsists believe ...as I and my climatologist academic partner do.... we must return to animal based clothing and swiftly....did you actually read the stuff. Here is the link again
http://www.furcouncil.com/ecological.aspx
You may also want to read the new outlook on fur from the real socialist and liberal commentators
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/mar/19/whyfurishumane
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1713/
some other links.
Here are the Cree the evenk the nenet the sami and others who I buy furs from
http://www.arcticphoto.co.uk/gallery2/arctic/peoples/peoples.htm
conservation sustainabilty and fur in the arctic
http://www.npolar.no/ansipra/english/items/Partnership.html
world conservation union policy on sustaible use
http://www.iwmc.org/resource.htm
a message to us from the InuIt about our hypocrisy as we prepare to ban seal fur
www.niyc.ca/comment.php?comment.news.218
The inuit two fingers up to paul mccartney
www.inuit.org/index.asp?lang=eng&num=280
the political fraud in doctoring the eec animal welfare scientists report on fur farming which they have objected to in strong terms and praise the fur farms
http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scah/out74_en.pdf
read from page six
so...if actually infinitely sustainble, good for the environment and protects animal habitats long term...remember the last great wilderness is the boreal forest and the arctic and this is who produces 80 per cent of fur; no coincidence....why would anyone be anti it.
Well they weren't for thousands of years.
then in the last forty years strange and crass propaganda started appearing . A multi billion dollar empire built on lies that fur was cruel.
And the evidence...well take a look. And remember what you read here is true...it has to legally as its so specific...unlike the fraudlently produced stuff they are talking about
http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm
yes,...animal rights snuff movies.
Oh and errrrr....yes that is the same IFAW that PAL is linked to that Tony Banks sister works for that gave Labour a million pound bribe....implicated.
Oh and the other big player of course is PETA. And all this time they have been telling us fur is cruel, look what they have been doing
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaTrial2.cfm
well hardly surprising when the leader Ingrid Newkirk...a form dog exterminator herself...has proclaimed that animal human relationships are abusive...yes that would be horse riding and pets...and all such domesticated breeds should be gelded out of existence in one generation.
Also hardly suprising that the two main models in that rather go naked campaign...Cindy Cafod and Elle Macpherson....have since become spokepersons and models for Blackglama north american mink association; and the other two Linda Evangelista and Naomi Campbell also feature regularly in fur campaigns.
They all wised up once they knew the truth.
what anti fur and anti hunting are actually about is capitalising on the politik of envy. And beware cos the same envy vibe stands against horse racing.
Ask Carol Pipe what she thinks about the 'bunny brigade' as she puts it.
whoever is doing the traditional method of management...the native people or UK/Irish foxhunts...the principle is the same...the tradition protects the habitat. And while the hunter....whoever he may be...are our eyes and ears on nature when something is wrong....we should listen. And sadly, it is western urban society and its complete unsustainability that is the problem as they poison build and pollute and destoy to get their synthetic 'animal friendly' petro chemical clothing and then have to whack the heating up making global warming a real problem so they can wear polyester shirts in the middle of january in work. When you see polar bears dying from that don't you think the inuit method of keepng warm and looking good [yes they do value their clothes as statement] better.
There is a chill wind blowing for those who don't get it yet.