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Is it the same farmers who are subsidised year in year out by both the UK government and the EU Dave or a different set of farmers?
Just wondering.
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Just wondering.
Sheikh
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I'm confused. :blink: Is David Batman 
rorydelargy
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I believe Clive was employing irony Dave.
I'm aware there's a difference between Dave Dent the person and the forum tub-thumper, and I have no issue with the former who is clearly an interesting character. I couldn't give a monkeys how libertarian your lifestyle choices ~ each to their own.
Dave Dent the forumite, unfortunately, has underestimated his audience; we aren't a crowd at Speakers Corner and we've heard the arguments before. The ridicule you face isn't simply because our political views are opposite to yours, but that we think your cack handed preaching is an insult to our intelligence.
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It's laughable to hear such prejudice against farmers; and really not worth even adressing in a racing forum when the majority of people in racing are countryside based and many from farming backgrounds.
as for conservation judge for yourself the research instead of resorting to sarcasm.
www.kent.ac.uk/anthropology/dice/research/england_hunting.html
I have also been accused of cherry picking evidence.
Please find me evidnce which negates what I say re the numerus pieces of academic research and articles i have linked to.
fact 1 the nazis banned foxhuntng; had a major animal rigts philosophy, the fox became extinct in the former czecoslovakia.
fact 2 most conservatonists support hunting and the rio declaration on the environment enshrines its protection in as method of ecological management using 'traditional methods and parctices' as the most succesfiul way of protecting habitat.
fact 3 there is not one shred of hard scientific evidence linking smoking to lung cancer...its all circumstantial and statsistical. So for example, scientfically speakng, for smoking to be said to cause lung cancer it should happen in the vast majority of smokers. The figure is acually six per cent; only marginally higher than non smker nd doesn't take into account ther factors. it has so far proved impossible to produce lung cancer in a lab animal through making it smoke ridculous amounts. it is therefore a lie to say smokng causes lung cancer as a hard fact so why is i written on my pack.
fact 4 Labour was in receipt of a million pounds from PAL the animal rights organisation
fac 5 tony blair has proposed eugenic solutions to youth crime
i could go on but these are facts not madcap theories.
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dave dent
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uk farmers do not get the subsidies their eu counterparts get.
ls...it not the farmer beng sbsidised...its the consumer.
how much do you think it costs to rear a lamb or a chicken with good welfare; and as a result what thw hell are you eating from supermkets when a chicken is two pounds.
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Has Irish Stamp told you yet that he's a vegan?!
Irish Stamp
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Unless it's changed Dave UK farmers take out 9% of all cash put into the CAP (2004 data).
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Kathy
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Well, I suppose at least Dave Dent has managed to instigate some form of discussion on here if nothing else and he hasn't been rude to anyone.
Perhaps, he is just lonely?
Perhaps, he is just lonely?
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How can anyone be lonely when they have Bridie?
Irish Stamp
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I think Birdie might be lonely while her twin holidays in Barbados Rory 
He did tell us all our lives were "insignificant" on another thread. Ok mine might well be, but An Capalls?!?
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Kathy
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Good point, well made.
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I'm thick as pigshit so my insignificant intelligence has not been INSULTED!
Miss January here, agrees.
I took this photo at Wincanton just after she'd eaten Mick Fitzgerald. My website is www.gruffalo.com
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Nice picture, Goobs. If only I had a clue what you were talking about.
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From Gloucester Echo
Rock star's son Otis Ferry spoke of his ''delight'' today after he was freed from custody.
The countryside campaigner was imprisoned four months ago over allegations he 'nobbled' a key witness during his trial for robbery and assault.
Ferry, 25, was arrested on September 17 on suspicion of perverting the course of justice after allegedly interfering with witness David Hodgkiss.
Today judge Martin Picton granted him conditional bail at Gloucester Crown Court saying he could be ''trusted'' to stay with his mum Lucy Birley in London.
Speaking outside court, Ferry admitted prison was a ''very strange experience'' and that he had missed his two pet hunting hounds.
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Flanked by his mother and his girlfriend, Fran Nimmo, he said: "I'm delighted and relieved to be out at last - prison was a very strange experience.
"I've had a court case hanging over my head for more than a year now and I've still got to get it over and done with before I can relax and get back to my normal life.
"I can't wait to see the outside again but having said that it's very hard to say how I feel about the whole prison system."
He added: "I don't think anything about prison is positive but I've met a lot of people who have changed the way I look at things.
"I was looking forward to seeing my hunting hounds but I can't go back home so I'll make do with seeing the pet dogs. I've had them since I was a kid and they mean a lot to me."
Former model Lucy added: "Thank God he's out. Four months has been a very long time and his brothers and his dogs can't wait to see him again."
Judge Martin Picton granted conditional bail until a pre-trial hearing on March 9 for the perverting the course of justice charges.
Under his bail conditions Ferry must not make contact with prosecution witnesses, must stay at his mum's house, and must not leave the country.
He must also report to Kensington police station every Monday
Rock star's son Otis Ferry spoke of his ''delight'' today after he was freed from custody.
The countryside campaigner was imprisoned four months ago over allegations he 'nobbled' a key witness during his trial for robbery and assault.
Ferry, 25, was arrested on September 17 on suspicion of perverting the course of justice after allegedly interfering with witness David Hodgkiss.
Today judge Martin Picton granted him conditional bail at Gloucester Crown Court saying he could be ''trusted'' to stay with his mum Lucy Birley in London.
Speaking outside court, Ferry admitted prison was a ''very strange experience'' and that he had missed his two pet hunting hounds.
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Flanked by his mother and his girlfriend, Fran Nimmo, he said: "I'm delighted and relieved to be out at last - prison was a very strange experience.
"I've had a court case hanging over my head for more than a year now and I've still got to get it over and done with before I can relax and get back to my normal life.
"I can't wait to see the outside again but having said that it's very hard to say how I feel about the whole prison system."
He added: "I don't think anything about prison is positive but I've met a lot of people who have changed the way I look at things.
"I was looking forward to seeing my hunting hounds but I can't go back home so I'll make do with seeing the pet dogs. I've had them since I was a kid and they mean a lot to me."
Former model Lucy added: "Thank God he's out. Four months has been a very long time and his brothers and his dogs can't wait to see him again."
Judge Martin Picton granted conditional bail until a pre-trial hearing on March 9 for the perverting the course of justice charges.
Under his bail conditions Ferry must not make contact with prosecution witnesses, must stay at his mum's house, and must not leave the country.
He must also report to Kensington police station every Monday
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dave dent
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I guess nobody has heard sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Sadly I did not manage to instigate any reasoned debate; but yes I did try....simply because the prejudice and ignorance from a vocal minority here needed challenging.
Thanks to the many people who joined the facebook campaign; and those who sent me personal emails and pms in support.
Oh and my girlfriend is not Bridie...who is the face of my label..but fine art and fashion model Eliza C ; currently doing her doctorate in climate induced disaster averion and response. So thank you I am not lonely nor lack rigorous intellectual conversation or someone with altruistic dedication. Both girls incidentally are an asset to help promote racing and are bringing new people into the sport and relating well to those in it. Nick the tog has just come into racing and was and remains excited by it....his new way of seeing the sport through his lens is inspiational to myself and others, excites by making an audience new to racing look at it with new curiosity, and yet he has already become disillusioned here by negtavity and accusations of spamming.
Anyone that knows me knows I have consistently taken decisions over twenty five years to support jumps racing; racehorse rehabiltation the main spinal injuries charity and been a relentless campaigner on conservation and aboriginal rights issues and art...and business comes after these. This is the first time my integrity has ever be called into question.
To me the spectacle of the sport is the spur to my work and thought it would be of interest. I want to share my passion...an artists intent. To share what we are about I thought would give an insight....would you accuse a trainer joining here of trying to get owners and therefore spamming if he linked to his site .
The sympathies among the vocal minority here are out of step with the racing world the vast majority of whom support the lifting of the ban on hunting as a matter of real importance. If it isn't important to you then I suggest you keep away from the debate.
The evidence I have presented here is accurate and because it is unfamiliar to you you have ridiculed it. But this happens always when ignorant beliefs are challenged.
The sad thing is on the smoking issue at least people are dying needlesly because the true causes have been hidden and smoking blamed because pharmacuticals government and lobby groups are making money from it and government is using it and foxhunting and terrorism as as precedent to interfere with other liberties. Remember that when they knock at your door.
as far as spamming is concerned that is also nonsense. I thought that some of this maybe of interest to you....I came here because you were discussing equine art....my name was mentioned and it was said I was jaded. The subject does not exist in isolation to other interests so I thought it would offer some insights into what an artist is about; why I paint horses and women and do fashion design. If you think its about money you are very much mistaken. There are higher things in life ...like art, vision, beauty; courage; glory; aspiration; liberty; tolerance; conservation; tradition; heritage; new ideas and ways of seeing; spectacle; glamour ;truth; justice; connection with animals and nature etc etc etc . But of course socialists have never been interested in any of that; seeing such things as elitist and catering to the lowest common denominator and opressing cultural differences and individuality and difference of opinion and bulldozering countryside instead. Heathrow being a case in point and you know what to vote on that one too. Chucking people out of their homes, destroying countryside, increasing carbon emissions and all the time making us recycle and taxing 4x4s. Bastards.
Someone mentioned batman. If you want a comic book analogy of the fight I am talking about try V for vendetta instead.
unfortunately, it isn't me who hides behind a mask though is it.
However, you are going to have to do something better than SAY that historical and scientific fact are madcap ideas. These things I have presented are not in dispute. Few people know these thing but that is not the same as sayng they are incorrect. The nazis did ban foxhuntng invent animal rights and banned smoking and there is no testable evidence that smoking causes cancer. However it has been tested and poven to increase cognitive abilities ;prevent alzheimers and parkinsons ; prevent asthma; breast and lower bowel cancer and gingivitis and true halitosis. I know you will find dozens of pieces of propaganda saying the opposite but find me ONE study that is proof. stats are not scientfic proof by the way I want tests; tests that have rigorous methodology. Don't go on a goose chase they dont exist. AND ANY HONEST SCIENTIST OR DOCTOR WILL ADMIT IT.
'repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth' goebbels
So... as our enthusiasm here is mistaken cynically for spamming, and passion and commitment to a cause [one which you clearly seriously underestimate] is rubbished with personal insult, and reasoned argument and evidence is responded to with piss take I bid you goodbye. Anyone who would like to keep up the contact and are as passionate about NATIONAL HUNT racing as us give us a shout. You know where to find us.
Sadly I did not manage to instigate any reasoned debate; but yes I did try....simply because the prejudice and ignorance from a vocal minority here needed challenging.
Thanks to the many people who joined the facebook campaign; and those who sent me personal emails and pms in support.
Oh and my girlfriend is not Bridie...who is the face of my label..but fine art and fashion model Eliza C ; currently doing her doctorate in climate induced disaster averion and response. So thank you I am not lonely nor lack rigorous intellectual conversation or someone with altruistic dedication. Both girls incidentally are an asset to help promote racing and are bringing new people into the sport and relating well to those in it. Nick the tog has just come into racing and was and remains excited by it....his new way of seeing the sport through his lens is inspiational to myself and others, excites by making an audience new to racing look at it with new curiosity, and yet he has already become disillusioned here by negtavity and accusations of spamming.
Anyone that knows me knows I have consistently taken decisions over twenty five years to support jumps racing; racehorse rehabiltation the main spinal injuries charity and been a relentless campaigner on conservation and aboriginal rights issues and art...and business comes after these. This is the first time my integrity has ever be called into question.
To me the spectacle of the sport is the spur to my work and thought it would be of interest. I want to share my passion...an artists intent. To share what we are about I thought would give an insight....would you accuse a trainer joining here of trying to get owners and therefore spamming if he linked to his site .
The sympathies among the vocal minority here are out of step with the racing world the vast majority of whom support the lifting of the ban on hunting as a matter of real importance. If it isn't important to you then I suggest you keep away from the debate.
The evidence I have presented here is accurate and because it is unfamiliar to you you have ridiculed it. But this happens always when ignorant beliefs are challenged.
The sad thing is on the smoking issue at least people are dying needlesly because the true causes have been hidden and smoking blamed because pharmacuticals government and lobby groups are making money from it and government is using it and foxhunting and terrorism as as precedent to interfere with other liberties. Remember that when they knock at your door.
as far as spamming is concerned that is also nonsense. I thought that some of this maybe of interest to you....I came here because you were discussing equine art....my name was mentioned and it was said I was jaded. The subject does not exist in isolation to other interests so I thought it would offer some insights into what an artist is about; why I paint horses and women and do fashion design. If you think its about money you are very much mistaken. There are higher things in life ...like art, vision, beauty; courage; glory; aspiration; liberty; tolerance; conservation; tradition; heritage; new ideas and ways of seeing; spectacle; glamour ;truth; justice; connection with animals and nature etc etc etc . But of course socialists have never been interested in any of that; seeing such things as elitist and catering to the lowest common denominator and opressing cultural differences and individuality and difference of opinion and bulldozering countryside instead. Heathrow being a case in point and you know what to vote on that one too. Chucking people out of their homes, destroying countryside, increasing carbon emissions and all the time making us recycle and taxing 4x4s. Bastards.
Someone mentioned batman. If you want a comic book analogy of the fight I am talking about try V for vendetta instead.
unfortunately, it isn't me who hides behind a mask though is it.
However, you are going to have to do something better than SAY that historical and scientific fact are madcap ideas. These things I have presented are not in dispute. Few people know these thing but that is not the same as sayng they are incorrect. The nazis did ban foxhuntng invent animal rights and banned smoking and there is no testable evidence that smoking causes cancer. However it has been tested and poven to increase cognitive abilities ;prevent alzheimers and parkinsons ; prevent asthma; breast and lower bowel cancer and gingivitis and true halitosis. I know you will find dozens of pieces of propaganda saying the opposite but find me ONE study that is proof. stats are not scientfic proof by the way I want tests; tests that have rigorous methodology. Don't go on a goose chase they dont exist. AND ANY HONEST SCIENTIST OR DOCTOR WILL ADMIT IT.
'repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth' goebbels
So... as our enthusiasm here is mistaken cynically for spamming, and passion and commitment to a cause [one which you clearly seriously underestimate] is rubbished with personal insult, and reasoned argument and evidence is responded to with piss take I bid you goodbye. Anyone who would like to keep up the contact and are as passionate about NATIONAL HUNT racing as us give us a shout. You know where to find us.
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Sheikh
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Are you seriously suggesting that smoking doesn't cause disease and premature death ?
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Is there an appropriate response to that?
I wouldn't know which bit to start with, so I'll just leave it be.
(edited to say - we posted at the same time Sheikh, that wasn't directed at you!!)
I wouldn't know which bit to start with, so I'll just leave it be.
(edited to say - we posted at the same time Sheikh, that wasn't directed at you!!)
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Yay.
I'm fairly sure the sun will still come up tomorrow.
I'm fairly sure the sun will still come up tomorrow.
Cheerio then David, I can't be bothered to go through every instance of your spamming but believe me, we cut you a lot more slack than we normally do. Yours wasn't as blatant as some of the bots that routinely try and get on this site, but was more of a creeping barrage of oblique references and less than subtle product placement. I did a count of your 27 posts to date at the time, and discovered that 13 of them contained references to your business, or somethign that was clearly capable ofbeing interpreted as promoting it.
I hope you find a happy place to reside elsewhere in cyber space.
I hope you find a happy place to reside elsewhere in cyber space.
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