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Euronymous

Euronymous

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Teletext have them but not the RP as yet. He could`ve given Hedgehunter a break - 11st9 for a horse of his age is very harsh imo.

2100-34 BEEF OR SALMON (IRE) 12-11-12 Joe Craig Michael Hourigan IRE
130/U1/-P CELESTIAL GOLD (IRE) 10-11-10 David Johnson David Pipe
P235-41 TURPIN GREEN (IRE) 9-11-10 Trevor Hemmings Nicky Richards
2/500-P5 HEDGEHUNTER (IRE) 12-11-09 Trevor Hemmings Willie Mullins IRE
P-26251 HI CLOY (IRE) 11-11-09 Susan McCloy Michael Hourigan IRE
U-135P1 KNOWHERE (IRE) 10 -11-08 Raymond Mould Nigel Twiston-Davies
5/122-41 MR POINTMENT (IRE) 9-11-08 Stockton Heath Racing Paul Nicholls
5/U40-16 OLLIE MAGERN 10-11-08 Roger Nicholls Nigel Twiston-Davies
4030-14 FORGET THE PAST 10-11-07 Sean Mulryan Michael O'Brien IRE
44R5-33 MONKERHOSTIN (FR) 11-11-07 Martin St Quinton Philip Hobbs
210P-P1 TURKO (FR) 6-11-07 The Stewart Family Paul Nicholls
1/23P-36 FOREMAN (GER) 10-11-06 J P McManus Charlie Swan IRE
03-4425 MADISON DU BERLAIS (FR) 7-11-06 Roger Stanley & Yvonne Reynolds II David Pipe
3U/232/-0 RULE SUPREME (IRE) 12-11-05 John Fallon Willie Mullins IRE
513P-P4 BILLYVODDAN (IRE) 9-11-04 Trevor Hemmings Henry Daly
112111 JOE LIVELY (IRE) 9-11-04 Richard Dimond Colin Tizzard
21B213 KNIGHT LEGEND (IRE) 9-11-04 Lynn Wilson Jessica Harrington IRE
11F-52U SIMON 9-11-04 Mercy Rimell John Spearing
1120-1P OPERA MUNDI (FR) 6-11-03 Sir Robert Ogden Paul Nicholls
66-3632 UNGARO (FR) 9-11-03 Sir Robert Ogden Keith Reveley
r416F5 IRON MAN (FR) 7-11-02 Roddy Owen & Paul Fullagar Peter Bowen
F/2520P-1 THISTHATANDTOTHER (IRE) 12-11-02 Graham Roach Paul Nicholls
4361-2P DREAM ALLIANCE 7-11-01 The Alliance Partnership Philip Hobbs
6P-24121 FUNDAMENTALIST (IRE) 10-11-01 C Cornes Nigel Twiston-Davies
43011-30 BUTLER'S CABIN (FR) 8-11-00 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill
F53-62S SLIM PICKINGS (IRE) 9-11-00 Doubtful Five Syndicate Tom Taaffe IRE
4P3F651 CHELSEA HARBOUR (IRE) 8-10-13 P Duffin Tom Mullins IRE
400-0110 VODKA BLEU (FR) 9-10-13 David Johnson David Pipe
00-6300 L'AMI (FR) 9-10-12 J P McManus Francois Doumen FR
124-F11 SNOWY MORNING (IRE) 8-10-12 Quayside Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
1-0010F ALEXANDER TAIPAN (IRE) 8-10-11 Noel O'Callaghan Willie Mullins IRE
P/420F-2 BEWLEYS BERRY (IRE) 10-10-11 Andrea & Graham Wylie Howard Johnson
2P0450- CONTRABAND 10-10-11 Fergus Wilson Paul Murphy
1103-PP DOM D'ORGEVAL (FR) 8-10-11 A White and Mrs Underhill David Pipe
410612- MCKELVEY (IRE) 9-10-11 N Elliott Peter Bowen
1400-10 ROMAN ARK 10-10-11 Richard Collins Malcolm Jefferson
P-20030 JOAACI (IRE) 8-10-10 David Johnson David Pipe
2-00004 POINT BARROW (IRE) 10-10-10 Mrs P Clune Hughes Patrick Hughes IRE
PP0-10P SIR REMBRANDT (IRE) 12-10-10 Alan Hordle Victor Dartnall
P0150P- CORNISH REBEL (IRE) 11-10-09 Halewood International Ltd Lisa Williamson
PP2-P01 D'ARGENT (IRE) 11-10-09 Nigel Bunter Alan King
30-434P NO FULL (FR) 7-10-09 Mrs P Doyle Eoin Doyle IRE
3-F106P BAILY BREEZE (IRE) 9-10-08 R Scott Mouse Morris IRE
522-360 BOB HALL (IRE) 7-10-08 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neil
201U-51 CLOUDY LANE 8-10-08 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain Jnr
U22P-22 KING JOHNS CASTLE (IRE) 9-10-08 J P McManus Arthur Moore IRE
422434- MON MOME (FR) 8-10-08 Vida Bingham Venetia Williams
422F22- NINE DE SIVOLA (FR) 7-10-08 The DPRP Sivola Partnership Ferdy Murphy
132000 ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 7-10-07 Mr & Mrs Peter Douglas Peter Bowen
026-2P0 CORNISH SETT (IRE) 9-10-07 Peter Hart Paul Nicholls
PP-1043 NAUNTON BROOK 9-10-07 David Langdon Nigel Twiston-Davies
0-23113 OVER THE CREEK 9-10-07 David Johnson David Pipe
5423-54 PARSONS LEGACY (IRE) 10-10-07R Offer Philip Hobbs
U50P-0U PATSY HALL (IRE) 8-10-07 C Byrne Tony Martin IRE
6F-04U33 ROYAL AUCLAIR (FR) 11-10-07 Clive Smith Paul Nicholls
0211-U1 ROYAL COUNTY STAR (IRE) 9-10-07 Dunsany Racing Syndicate Tony Martin IRE
554-5062 TUMBLING DICE (IRE) 9-10-07 Lucy Donegan Tom Taaffe IRE
FP/24/0-14 BACKBEAT (IRE) 11-10-06 Andrea & Graham Wylie Howard Johnson
6/4P/-0P2 COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 9-10-06 David Johnson David Pipe
UU-20U5 IDLE TALK (IRE) 9-10-06 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain Jnr
2P-4300F KELAMI (FR) 10-10-06 Halewood International Ltd Francois Doumen FR
11305-54 MILAN DEUX MILLE (FR) 6-10-06 Fergus & Judith Wilson David Pipe
3PF-013 NADOVER (FR) 7-10-06 Tony Hayward and Barry Fulton Charlie Mann
0-56442 BLACK APALACHI (IRE) 9-10-05 Gerard Burke Dessie Hughes IRE
1412P-3 CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 8-10-05 E Wright John Quinn
11P-0P6 HOMER WELLS (IRE) 10-10-05 Mrs M McMahon Willie Mullins IRE
135326 PATMAN DU CHARMIL (FR) 6-10-05 Raymond Mould Nigel Twiston-Davies
1P6/04-2 PHILSON RUN (IRE) 12-10-05 Gale Force One Nick Williams
14-55P5 URSUMMAN (IRE) 9-10-05 J P McManus Niall Madden IRE
62-166P ARDAGHEY (IRE) 9-10-04 D & S Goodman Nigel Twiston-Davies
P11-0PP BARON WINDRUSH 10-10-04 The Double Octagon Partnership Nigel Twiston-Davies
3-55034 BOYCHUK (IRE) 7-10-04 Diana Whateley Philip Hobbs
0F251P-0 DUN DOIRE (IRE) 9-10-04 Dunderry Racing Syndicate Tony Martin IRE
06/001P- JOES EDGE (IRE) 11-10-04 Chemipetro Limited Ferdy Murphy
44-31P3 KILBEGGAN BLADE 9-10-04 K & Mrs A Doocey Tom George
 
Mr Pointment will have to defy a welter of statistics if he is to claim John Smith's Grand National glory at Aintree.

Paul Nicholls' Becher Chase winner has been allotted 11st 8lb for the April 5 feature but no horse since Red Rum in 1977 has shouldered that kind of burden when winning.

Bewleys Berry finished second behind Mr Pointment in the Becher and he has been given a mark of 10st 11lb by handicapper Phil Smith - much to the delight of trainer Howard Johnson.

He said: "I'm happy with that, very pleased in fact.

"We'll give him one more run and then go to Aintree nice and fresh. He's in at Newbury on Saturday but I could go to the Grimthorpe Chase at Doncaster with him."

Red Rum was trained by Aintree legend Ginger McCain to win his three Nationals and although the handler has bowed out of the sport, his son Donald continues to send out the winners from their Cheshire base.

He has Cloudy Lane (10st 8lb), Idle Talk (10st 6lb) and Bannister Lane (10st) to pick from.

"I'd be happy with Cloudy Lane's weight - when all's said and done, getting them in the race is the most important thing and he should make it off that rating," said McCain.

"It would be nice if Beef Or Salmon were to turn up as we would have a cracking weight then.

"Idle Talk's weight gives him more of a chance than last year. He's not certain to go but if we do decide to run, it seems a sensible rating.

"He ran a very nice race at Doncaster the other day, so no complaints."

Beef Or Salmon tops the weights for the four-and-a-half-mile marathon on 11st 12lb with Celestial Gold and Turpin Green next best on 11st 10lb.

Irish raider Point Barrow has been given 10st 10lb this year after crashing out at the first when sent off the co-favourite in the 2007 renewal.

Trainer Pat Hughes said: "I would be happy enough with that, it's about the same as he carried last year.

"The plan is to run in the Red Square Vodka Gold Cup Chase later this month and then go straight to the race from there.

"Hopefully he can have a bit more luck this year."

Another handler satisfied with the outcome of the handicap was Peter Bowen and he is looking forward to letting last year's runner-up McKelvey have another crack at the big fences.

The nine-year-old has been sidelined by a leg problem since but having gone up 7lb on last year to 10st 11lb, Bowen is hoping for another bold show.

"You would have to be happy with McKelvey's weight as it's not that much more than he carried last year," he said.

"He's in really good form and we had the leg checked yesterday and it's fine."

Bowen has 11 runners entered but with a record 105 horses in the handicap this year, some of those are unlikely to run.

Other notable contenders include the Willie Mullins-trained Snowy Morning (10st 12lb) with the bookmakers reporting a stream of money for Royal & SunAlliance Chase runner-up.

Stablemate and 2005 winner Hedgehunter is also among a record-equalling 38 Irish-trained entries along with Royal County Star (10st 7lb) and Newbay Prop (10st 1lb), who hail from Tony Martin's stable.

Last year's third Slim Pickings (11st) and fourth Philson Run (10st 5lb) could turn out again along with Irish National winner Butler's Cabin (11st).

Colin Tizzard's Grade One-winning novice Joe Lively has been allotted 11st 4lb while the French boast five entries including Francois Doumen's L'Ami (10st 12lb).
 
Originally posted by rorydelargy@Feb 5 2008, 01:01 PM
I'm liking Philson Run more and more.....
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Mmmm, me too. His first run this year was a lot better than you'd expect from him (or was it?) too. 50/1 on Betfair at present.
 
Originally posted by granger@Feb 5 2008, 11:57 AM
I couldn't see Hourigan sending Beefy there with that much weight
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He was always getting 11-12. I think he's very fairly treated. He's a good 8lbs better in with the mid weights than a normal handicap. Such is my confidence, I've put €5.32 on him at 169/1 and have requested another €4 at 199/1.
 
Galileo, I notice Cool Running gets in off 136 (a couple of pounds higher than I expected).

He needs 35 or so to come out to make the cut. Are you gonna get on at 50s with PP?
 
Originally posted by Melendez+Feb 5 2008, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Melendez @ Feb 5 2008, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-granger@Feb 5 2008, 11:57 AM
I couldn't see Hourigan sending Beefy there with that much weight
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I'd say he will run in the Irish National instead
 
I was happy to see him under the 11st mark too Euro. His run in the Thyestes was encouraging enough. Just needs to jump the bloody first!
 
Got on Philson Run myself at 50's last week. Backed him win/place last year at tasty prices, and got a decent run for my money..I see no reason why he can't be there or there abouts again, that was an excellent effort in the Totesport at Warwick last time.
 
Snowy Morning fav? Sorry but am I missing something? Ok he finished 2nd to Denman in last years S & A but he's hardly done anything since,a couple of hurdles wins after a mishap in the Henessey.
In another thread someone eluded to this being maybe a prep for next year to give him some experience & I think that would be more the idea unless I am totally out of touch & the horse as sprouted wings since his last run!
 
That wasn't me, but I remember that and I did comment in the thread. I'm normally pretty good on the GN... Wouldn't back Snowy this year, imo he is too young for this test, and I'll be very disappointed if they send him as it could frighten the living bejazus out of him for the future

There are a few surprises in the weights and I'm going to have a long good look at it in a few days - too busy for proper analysis til next week. But a few I really fancied are going to carry too much and I suddenly see a couple of options I'd not considered :)

Having said all that the fields are steadily rising in quality each year along with the prize money - pace Luke - so who knows what shocks may be in store? What was always a stats race may be less reliable these days. Sorry to see that due to the handicapper people are maybe sending horses to the race before they are ready.

I did have a bit on Point Barrow last year but I'd be reluctant to back a horse again which fell at the first, and I can't see he's in the same form this year anyway as he was last spring
 
Originally posted by granger+Feb 5 2008, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (granger @ Feb 5 2008, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Melendez@Feb 5 2008, 05:16 PM
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@Feb 5 2008, 11:57 AM
I couldn't see Hourigan sending Beefy there with that much weight
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I'd say he will run in the Irish National instead [/b][/quote]
This from Hourigan:

He is a runner as of now. All the jockeys who have ridden him say he feels like a National horse. I think he would love the challenge.
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I liked how The Raging Boast used a picture of Snowy Morning on the front of their Grand National Special......ploughing through a fence.

For me, SIMON
 
Originally posted by LUKE@Feb 5 2008, 10:45 PM
Personally I think its the worst National for years.Snowy Morning stands out like a sore thumb.
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I haven't looked closely enough to say whether I agree with the first part but it's hard to disagree with the second.
 
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