Hunting Act 2004 Comes Into Force At 12am

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Unfortuanately apak, you're spot on there.....the LACS have already announced that they are onto shooting now & they have lobbied the Government to get it banned already. It'll be fishing after that, & in ten years they will be trying to make us all "pinko veggie woofters".....

Incidentally, I loved the quote in the press this week from Richard Benyon, prospective Tory parliamentary candidate for Newbury (go Richard, you've got my vote!!!!!!! :D ) when he said "Whether you are for or against hunting, if you want to oppose this nanny state then come to the Meet at Englefield on Saturday". And thy turned out in their droves...... B)
 
It'll be fishing after that, & in ten years they will be trying to make us all "pinko veggie woofters".....
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Why talk such utter crap about this? Fair enough argue your point regarding fox hunting but why scare munger about things which are not going to happen. Even if they did start to try and ban fishing any fool would realise given the size and importance of the fishing industry it aint going to happen. Much in the same way horse racing is not going to be banned. Give an arguement based on reason, not fear.

I am a vegitarian, for my own reasons, I dont push my views on others and to be honest Shadow you and others constantly referring to veggies in the insulting terms as above kinda piss me off.
 
On a slightly different notes, the horses taking part in a hunt. Are there any requirements or standards needed to be met before they can take part? Just curious?
 
Aidan - I said "Pinko veggie woofters" only because the same phrase had been used before on the thread, it was an attempt at humour, not meant to offend.

I am not scaremongering - I was accused of that only 6 months ago when I said that there would be attempts to ban shooting too - lo & behold, Government are now being lobbied to ban it also & there are many campaigns to ban it. Don't forget that 20 years ago it was thought that they would never be able to ban hunting....

Sorry, I don't know quite what you mean about standards needing to be met before going hunting - if you're talking about fitness or ability to hunt, then no, these things do not need to be proved - just watch some of the coverage on Sky News today to see people being pissed off with on their horses!!! There is an unwritten rule though that you must never pass the Master of Hounds, then you may get asked not to return.
 
Originally posted by krizon@Feb 19 2005, 09:52 PM
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They don't have time for that Kri, and because they're some way below a Jewish child doesn't make it any more right than an alien super race breeding and slaughtering humans for food.

At some point in the future they'll look back at meat eaters with the same disdain that we view slave traders.
 
The four men who were arrested today under the new hunting legislation, had nothing to do with any organised hunts. The men were found at 4am with four dogs and the carcass of a hare.

The men, aged 31, 32 and 33 and a 53-year-old were arrested on suspicion of hunting with dogs under Section 1 of the new Hunting Act.

They are also being investigated as to possible firearms offences relating to a modified air rifle and possible offensive weapons charges relating to the possession of a pointed/bladed article. The men have now been released on police bail pending further enquiries.

Also i always thought that the rider and horse had to be insured to go on any of these hunts?

Regards
 
PDJ - You don't need to apologise and edit your posting just because someone disagrees with you.

Have you ever seen me edit anything for anyone? :D
 
Don't worry, Phil, I've already PM'd Pee to tell him that. It's only a disagreement between friends, and I've pushed the boat out so far as to say I'll buy him an entire can of Tango next time we meet.

But, HT, how are you going to enforce (for that is what it will be) vegetarianism upon people who have almost no access to vegetables, such as the Aborigines, Congolese pygmies, rainforest tribes, etc., who for millennia have lived on a diet mainly comprised of grubs, insects, monkeys, lizards, rodents, fish, etc., but who do not live in conditions where vegetables can be grown? Are you going to force them even further out of touch with their traditions and make them have to buy, and become dependent on, Western-imposed artificial diets? Isn't this a form of neocolonialism?

Honestly, I'm not being facetious. The vegetarian movement seems to assume that it's only 'the West' which is omnivorous, and that we must stop eating animal proteins as a matter of ethics.

I believe there are some four or five vegetarians on this forum. What is the view of the Vegetarian Society of the numbers of people worldwide for whom this is not remotely an 'option', as it clearly is in countries full-to-bursting with probably far too much choice and variety?
 
Apak, I don't think people and horses need to be insured to go hunting, or to take part in any other kind of equestrian activity.

It makes sense to do so, but certainly isn't compulsory.
 
There was over 200 people on horses yesterday at the hunt meet at Tattersalls in Newmarket and a huge turnout to wish them well and to catch as many foxes as possible.

I once had a guinea pig run in the back garden with around 40 in that we used to breed and sell on when one night a lovely sweet fox got in and killed them all but he nicely left most the bodies so i could see the devastation in the morning. I was only 9 and cried for days so i say kill them all! :angy:
 
UK News
Hunt supporters risk seeing the ban tightened if they continue to test the law, animal rights campaigners have said.

Hunt monitors said the pro-hunt lobby would not force the Government to repeal the ban by behaving in a "thuggish, aggressive and cruel manner".

Penny Little, who monitored the Bicester hunt, said if hunts continued to probe for loopholes in the ban the Government would be forced to close them off.

Thousands of hunt supporters turned out in an attempt to make a mockery of the Government's ban on hunting with hounds.

Although the 250 separate hunts operated within the law across England and Wales there was little discernible difference in the "new format" of drag hunting.

This involves flushing foxes out of a wood and shooting them before their scent is left as a trail for the hounds.

Ms Little said she saw the "gratuitous, spiteful killing of foxes", which may well have broken the law.

"If the hunting fraternity go out into the field and commit offences and attempt to run circles around this law, there is only one development that can occur from that, and that is a tightening of the law," she said.

Speaking on BBC1's Breakfast with Frost she added: "It will not be repealed because they have behaved in a thuggish, aggressive and cruel manner."

But the chairman of the Countryside Alliance, John Jackson, said the hunt supporters had no intention of making "a fool of the law". "We have to point out the act is extremely badly drafted and is going to be very, very difficult to enforce," he said.
 
Hunters will tell you that they do it to control the fox, this is another untruth.
They do it simply because the fox is the chosen quarry to pursue their so called sport.
They claim it is vermin so, if it is, it's elimination would be desirable you would think but would the hunters want that ? of course not because their chosen quarry is lost and another animal would have to be chosen.

Fox hunting is the so called sport of the landed gentry, a fact that will often be denied by producing some social climber from a housing estate.

It is no more than a ritualistic killing of a wild animal in the name of sport pursued by the privileged who think there is one rule for them and another for the rest.

The abolition of the House of Lords is another topic but linked to this thinking.

I accept that the law in it's present form cannot be enforced because a loophole for the hunters has been provided so nothing will change.
They can kill a fox with a max of two dogs so, if there is a mock hunt using a dragged scent and the pack pick up a real scent, who is going to seperate two dogs to carry on with the kill ?
Where in the place of the kill will be a policeman or witness to see that it was the whole pack as usual to rip the fox to bits ?
 
Originally posted by krizon@Feb 20 2005, 02:18 AM
But, HT, how are you going to enforce (for that is what it will be) vegetarianism upon people who have almost no access to vegetables, such as the Aborigines, Congolese pygmies, rainforest tribes, etc., who for millennia have lived on a diet mainly comprised of grubs, insects, monkeys, lizards, rodents, fish, etc., but who do not live in conditions where vegetables can be grown? Are you going to force them even further out of touch with their traditions and make them have to buy, and become dependent on, Western-imposed artificial diets? Isn't this a form of neocolonialism?
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Kri, if you're asking me to sign a petition stating that vegetarianism should be forced on everybody bar the above then I'll sign.
 
Derek, if what you say is true then 1) why on earth would Alun Michael have said this morning live on Countryfile that he had no problem with the way foxes were killed yesterday & 2) since when did animal rights campaigners gain the right to alter laws or decide to "tighten" them?
 
SL.
I answer your post with great caution,as i am already in the sin bin.If you could kindly look at the first two words of my post please.

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So 'TomWorld' is beginning to take shape.

Turnip Pie for breakfast. Then outside the pub for a few joints before going inside for a lunch of battered turnip and Chips. Down to the bookies for some nice graded racing - 6 horse photo finishes to every race. Back home to watch President Galloway present his latest decrees. Dinner of Turnip and Potato soup followed by carrot and onion stew.

Then a couple of joints and bed.
 
221b, you write about "...a loophole..." . That's some understatement! The bill is full of loopholes and anomalies, and that after 700 hours of parliamentary debate.

Here's another: Certain "wild mammals" have been specifically exempted from the legislation, so you have the bizarre and anomalous situation of being able to still hunt rabbits but not hares, and you can hunt rats but not mice or mink! Anybody explain this?!
 
Originally posted by fudge@Feb 20 2005, 09:32 AM
There was over 200 people on horses yesterday at the hunt meet at Tattersalls in Newmarket and a huge turnout to wish them well and to catch as many foxes as possible.

I once had a guinea pig run in the back garden with around 40 in that we used to breed and sell on when one night a lovely sweet fox got in and killed them all but he nicely left most the bodies so i could see the devastation in the morning. I was only 9 and cried for days so i say kill them all! :angy:
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I think you are a sorry person, and i wish you would grow up and remember there are more importent things in life then a bloody fox hunt.

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I think that's a bit harsh, apak - can you imagine how you'd feel if your young child woke up to that scene of devastation? Besides, no matter how you feel about hunting, most people would have to believe that fox are vermin; they kill for the sake of it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with killing to eat. Foxes have an incredible lust for killing & will kill anything they can & leave the carcasses behind to rot.
 
:lol: @ Terry. Right, I wonder what hut prices are like in the Virunga Mountains these days?

Someone mentioned that 'fishing' couldn't be stopped. Well, no, not 'fishing', as with trawlers and nets. For the time being, anyway. What is on the agenda of certain 'animal rights' groups is sport fishing - angling in particular, since the idea is to have fun hooking the fish but not eating it. Just like hunters 'gave best' to a fox who'd provided a good day's outing, allowing it to go so it could be hunted again, anglers do the same with their fish. When one's given them an especially good fight, they weigh it, get themselves photographed with it, and put it back into the water so they can fish it again. Believe me, it'll be 'off the hook' in due course.

I've been somewhat surprised to find several people who support fox hunting don't support shooting. This seems to be partly because shooters haven't come out in any significant numbers to support hunters, and also because shooting is now largely 'corporate entertainment' with thousands of birds reared specially for fun days out by those who can afford them. The hunt supporters I spoke to don't consider this any sort of service, rather, just a commercial venture nowadays. The feeling was that once shooting comes under the cosh, they'll stand by, too, and let the shooters fend for themselves.

So, it looks like the huntin', shootin' and fishin' brigade may not be as tightly-knit or mutually supportive as one might have thought.

Since the banning of bear and bull-baiting, dog and cock fighting, successful de-legalising of the use of animals in circuses, and now the banning of hunting with dogs, I think we do have to be aware that the use of animals in sport, whether 'field' or competitive, may be considered a reasonable target. It will be considered as the use of animals for entertainment, like the Chimps' Tea Party, and a movement to vanish it is probably already under way. And I don't just mean those who want the Grand National banned. All horse-based sports would be suspect, since they are for 'public spectacle'. Greyhound racing would be the same. We shouldn't kid ourselves that because they provide much revenue that they won't be, er, fair game.
 
Hey, apak24 - you've made a mere 22 posts, but you've already overlooked the site's rules about making personally abusive remarks.

If you want to keep using this site, then calling someone who expresses an opinion a 'stupid arse' just because you don't agree with him is not acceptable. You can argue on a point of opinion, logic, ethic, statement, fact, etc., but leave off the personal insults, will you.
 
Post duly edited .

What has been in the water today - I have edited quite a few abusive postings
 
It's the cold snap over a weekend, Ardross! Makes everyone testy and anxious to get on with Spring and Summer. :D
 
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