Hunting Act 2004 Comes Into Force At 12am

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As it's such an outdated method of killing, I'd be interested to hear how you would recommend the fox population be controlled? It can be very difficult to get a clean shot on a fox & kill it first time up (even for a decent marksman) as they are very quick indeed.
 
When was the last time that the fox was left to regulate itself ?

A vixen will not let a dog near it if the habitat is not right.
 
I don't understand your reasoning there - it is precisely because there are too many foxes wreaking havoc with their killing sprees that they are culled - if left unchecked the population would explode & the fox population is too large as it is.
 
wreaking havoc is another term that is unjustified.

They are not culled, they are hunted and the main justification for hunting is to contol them.

what percentage of fox deaths are attributed to hunt killings ?

Exactly...so hardly a justification for the costly traditional ritual.
 
They are hunted so they can be culled and controlled. Hunting is an effective & successful form of controlling the fox population.
 
If fox hunting is not for pleasure but to control the animal, why was the fox actually introduced to Australia by us for the sole purpose of hunting ?
 
That is wholly irrelevant in this case as the fox is indigenous to the UK & needs to be controlled in that same environment. What occurs overseas is immaterial.
 
Besides, nowhere have I said that foxhunting does not serve for pleasure; that it is enjoyable shold have no bearing on whether or not it is banned.....but therein lies the rub, it has been banned for the wrong reasons, all of which are political & a lot has to do with the mis-placed theory that it is only the higher classes & gentry who participate in it.
 
it is indeed relevant because it proves that we hunt it for pleasure and introduce it to another country so the so called sport can be continued.

Your answer says it all....
 
Here is an image of "vermin" from those excellent people at the National Fox Welfare Society bless

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Awwwwwww.....how sweet. Shame they don't look like that after they've killed a dozen lambs or a coop full of chickens......
 
Shadow Leader, in the interests of accuracy, if the only foxes destroyed were those killed by the hunts then that would make a very small inroad into their population.
 
"...hardly a justification for the costly traditional ritual....".

221, stop fussing over the cost - it doesn't cost you or the taxpayer anything, and is irrelevant to the rights and wrongs of the issue.

Nobody forces you to subscribe to, or in other ways financially support, a hunt.

So the costliness or otherwise of hunting doesn't affect you, does it?

You talk about the fox being introduced by the British to Australia - yes, that was wrong, but I think it happened pre-Darwin so maybe it's forgiveable. The rabbits that were brought over have proved even more of a problem. I think the Aussies would (quite rightly) like to see both alien species wiped out in their country, by any means possible.
 
Shadow Leader

I notice you close all you posts with

"Keep Hunting, Fight the ban"

Which other laws do you consider don't apply to you?

Why should robbers have to stop doing what they do if they enjoy it and it is a traditional activity?

There are many arguments but the tradition one wheeled out by criminals (hunters) is pathetic, they need to find something else to pin their hopes on
 
Fascinating episode haapened yesterday as I was riding out 3rd lot in the covered ride. On the hill behind the ride, I saw something crashing through the undergrowth followed by a fair bit of yelping. As I left the ride, there appeared a full-grown Muntjac male (he lives in my garden hedge) galloping flat out towards me. To one side retreating hastily towards her owners garden was a black Saluki bitch who regularly catches or maims most of the cats/chickens/wildlife around here & is intent on the Muntjac becoming her next victim. The small deer had quite obviousy turned on her in mid chase and given her a hefty clout from his antlers as she was quite distressed by the time we walked back past her. Salukis are pretty blood thirsty killers once locked on to their prey and I have never seen a deer turn on a dog before. It didn't dent her enthusiasm though - she returned this morning & was back after him today.
 
Venusian, I mention costs because the CA always bang on about how much it would cost if hunting were banned.

I don't care if it was pre Darwin, it shows the mentality and the reasons why you hunt, for pleasure under the name of sport.
I am not against controlling the fox but I am against a ritual whereby people in silly costumes career across the countryside to pursue an animal in order to enjoy it's killing.

To kill an animal for pleasure is the act of a sadist.

Don't wrap it up as a need to control the fox population when there are alternatives to the sadists so called heritage.
 
Interesting point Jinny because just about every death in the countryside is blamed on Basil when there are many cases of known sightings of other animals such as lurchers doing the killing.
Feral cats have to live and eat as well but they are not the hunters chosen quarry so to justify their sport in the name of vermin control, the fox is blamed.
 
221,

I don't see what the wearing of "silly costumes" has got to do with it. Are you some kind of fashion guru?

If you were a bit more consistent, and also called for a ban on shooting, sport angling and halal butchery (which all have their own rituals, silly costumes, and killing-of-animals-for-pleasure ingredients), then at least I could respect your arguments, even if I couldn't agree with them.
 
Correct a fashion guru I certainly am.

I am against the halal ritual but that isn't done in the name of sport or pleasure.
 
I am also against shooting any living creature when it is done in the name of sport.

There are alternatives such as clay shooting.
 
Being a fashion guru, I do remember seeing ladies wearing fox stoles around their shoulders sometimes dual stoles with the two fox heads evenly placed across the chest.

I do believe they are available today, probably on Ebay.
 
You'll be alarmed at the resurgence of the full fur coat, and mink jacket, worn at several race meetings (both AW and NH) this winter, let alone what is known (in old-fashioned circles) as a 'tippet', or fur collar. The fox fur used to be worn in full, with brush, paws and head intact, as if curled asleep around the woman's neck. Today's popular perception is that it's gross, but it was once considered very chic.

Ardross, I am very well aware of the back story to mink in this country. I posit, however, that if the ALF had had real animal welfare at heart, and not just anarchistic vaingloriousness, it'd shot the mink dead on the spot, and burned down the 'farm'. That way, the animals would not have been released into a foreign environment where they were hunted by mink hounds, trapped, starved, or frozen; that way, they still wouldn't have been made into fashion items; that way, the 'rights' of native animals to live and breed peacefully would have been protected. Instead of which, a vain and cowardly act took place, which ran counter in every way to the welfare of the mink, but most especially to welfare of the vulnerable species in their way.

You seem to be trying to rationalize the ensuing ecocide on the grounds that it happened because mink had been imported into this country to be farmed for fur. That sounds as fanatically off-kilter as George Bush claiming that in order for the peoples of the world to be free, many must die in order to liberate them.
 
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