Irish Guineas Weekend
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EC1
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she definately doesn't want fast ground..as was clear in her form before the race..read the post by Chef..read the form from last year..couldn't beat 80 rateds on it
Don't disagree with any of that it's why she made me a nice packet today by not showing. Considering the complexion of this race I felt the result could be something like we saw although I would never have had that winner. I dont' lay horses often but this looked the way forward here and seemed too good to be passed up.
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EC1
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i didn't lay her today though i should have..but i wouldn't lay her on slower ground tbh
at end of day..you think the newmarket form is flukey so layed..you get your money..only time will tell whether its fluke or ground..lets see if she is jarred up..will be amazed if she isn't
EC1
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when a horse doesn't act on a surface i dismiss it from the formline..i don't let it influence future view..there is no point taking any notice of todays run
if it had been a top ground newmarket guineas she wouldn't have won or placed there imo
when she gets her toe in though..
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Evidence is still limited but the 1000 Guineas is not shaping up well. La Collina who had her ground today was nowhere, Starscope 3rd behind HQ could not win an 8 runner listed at Newbury was beaten comprehensively, Alla Speranza was miles behind Yellow Rosebud on her next start who in turn bombed today also, Lily's Angel was miles behind in a listed race at York, same with Nayarra at Goodwood.
Leaves the two winners after; The Fugue who is obviously a better horse over a longer distance and LOL who won the aforementioned race contested by Lily's Angel. Finally there is Maybe, undoubtedly the class of her division other side of the channel and she'll be putting her record on the line on Friday in the Oaks. Not sure that is the right race for her.
Leaves the two winners after; The Fugue who is obviously a better horse over a longer distance and LOL who won the aforementioned race contested by Lily's Angel. Finally there is Maybe, undoubtedly the class of her division other side of the channel and she'll be putting her record on the line on Friday in the Oaks. Not sure that is the right race for her.
Some kick in the nuts to see Taigan unplaced-last I saw he could be laid for a place at 1/3.Some days it's just not meant to be.
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Bruce_Savage
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What's happened to the three year old form book this year?
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
The milers are gash. I think the middle distance colts and fillies will be better.
Like the Fairyhouse good ground run, after which she ran 10lb better on fast ground, both at Cork and Tipperary.
Far from convinced the going was her problem today, and Aidan has said in the past she seems to handle any ground. Today's race was nothing like the test of Newmarket, in terms of both pace and ground, and no surprise to see her put this run behind her over further - whatever the surface.
EC1
On a break
you keep backing her on fast ground Reet and you'll do your money imo..then again i hope she starts that price again in future on fast ground..which i doubt they will run her on again tbh
EC1
On a break
i wouldn't call good ground gettin your toe in though
her record on fast ground reads
lost ...even money
lost...beaten 24 length at 12/1
lost...beaten 6 length at 6/1
lost 4 length at 4/1
lost 7 length at 11/8
i don't know how you read your form ...but if you think she wants backing on fast ground then there ain't much more evidence to shove up.
if anyone else thinks she acts on fast ground then please sign in :blink:
her record on fast ground reads
lost ...even money
lost...beaten 24 length at 12/1
lost...beaten 6 length at 6/1
lost 4 length at 4/1
lost 7 length at 11/8
i don't know how you read your form ...but if you think she wants backing on fast ground then there ain't much more evidence to shove up.
if anyone else thinks she acts on fast ground then please sign in :blink:
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I think she is a softer ground fillie but it is very likely she has bounced after a top perforamance
the only horse I know to win after a high effort in his next run is Frankel in the St James Palace where he won despite posting a more than a stone below form nce
Overdose, Cirrus today, Daylami, Royal Anthem , Hawk Wing and many more
did it.
the only horse I know to win after a high effort in his next run is Frankel in the St James Palace where he won despite posting a more than a stone below form nce
Overdose, Cirrus today, Daylami, Royal Anthem , Hawk Wing and many more
did it.
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
What kind of time limit are we talking here? Dubai Millennium's two wins as a 4yo were two and a half months apart.
Her whole record was abysmal over sprint trips - whatever the ground - and Aidan himself admitted he had been running her over the wrong distance.
No surprise then, that she improved markedly for making all over further, including a Guineas win on borderline good ground, and little surprise were she to win again over further still, a view endorsed by Ryan Moore, her pilot on that latter occasion,
No surprise then, that she improved markedly for making all over further, including a Guineas win on borderline good ground, and little surprise were she to win again over further still, a view endorsed by Ryan Moore, her pilot on that latter occasion,
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EC1
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you making it up as you go along Reet
borderline Good in the guineas??..it was 38lb per mile slow..not far off soft ground...again if anyone thinks the guineas was run on borderline Good ground..please sign in
6f isn't a sprint trip to a 2yo in June..its a decent test for a baby horse..many milers win at 6f at 2 in May and June
when i get it wrong..i hold my hands up...something i'd recommend to save you inventing stuff
borderline Good in the guineas??..it was 38lb per mile slow..not far off soft ground...again if anyone thinks the guineas was run on borderline Good ground..please sign in
6f isn't a sprint trip to a 2yo in June..its a decent test for a baby horse..many milers win at 6f at 2 in May and June
when i get it wrong..i hold my hands up...something i'd recommend to save you inventing stuff
My mistake about the ground - I was thinking of the Lockinge meeting - but that doesn't alter the fact that she'd only run on fast ground at sprint trips prior to today, and therefore had no chance to establish a preference one way or the other.
No matter how you dress up her 2yo form, her trainer admitted he'd been running her over too short, borne out by all her performances over further - not least her best run, when making all, at a strong pace, over the stiff Curragh 1m.
Yes, I do read form differently to you, and I remain far from convinced that she won't be effective on faster ground; over further.
No matter how you dress up her 2yo form, her trainer admitted he'd been running her over too short, borne out by all her performances over further - not least her best run, when making all, at a strong pace, over the stiff Curragh 1m.
Yes, I do read form differently to you, and I remain far from convinced that she won't be effective on faster ground; over further.
I liked the winner today> only seen race once but did it nicely. How it stacks up, i dont know but HG is not one i would be interested in now. I still cant believe that she really improved to the extent some believe. it was just a funny race at newmarket and the form is looking a bit ordinary now either way
EC1
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you don't seem to undertand the concept of distance to 2yo's Reet..why do you think 10f is the maximum they run over?..and even that is near the end of the season. Do you think all 2yo's are sprinters if they win over 6f?
i like to know why i get something wrong..so i don't make the same mistakes in the future..it stands me in good stead..making events fit to what i initially believed is just kidding yourself imo
you keep backing her on fast ..its your prerogative..best o luck
i like to know why i get something wrong..so i don't make the same mistakes in the future..it stands me in good stead..making events fit to what i initially believed is just kidding yourself imo
you keep backing her on fast ..its your prerogative..best o luck
Wasn't this obvious before the race though... perhaps not to some.
Plenty of good fillies in the Oaks a couple of which will rise to the top of the pecking order with BP. To be fair to HQ she was no good in that ground, but she's probably not much good full stop. She's won a Guineas due to a combination of factors. That will be the sum of her Group 1 haul.
