King George VI Chase - Boxing Day, Kempton

Grasshopper said:
He hacked-up in his maiden hurdle at Navan, and also in the Deloitte in his prep for the Supreme Novices. He slaughtered Clarcam in his Begginers Chase at Navan, and would have won with his head in his chest anyway (2nd well held when falling at the last) at Leopardstown, in his prep for the JLT.
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couldn't have the maiden and the beginners chase as genuinely impressive performances grass. just routine wins for an odds on short beating either non triers or below average horses at the trip.

the deloitte was a solid win without being spectacular. i know he's had issues but TTT has hardly franked that race since.

we're talking about the favourite for the king george. on his cheltenham form we can all see the ability. i'd just like to have seen it away from there to be rowing in with him. not sure if it's a case of the track or the time of the year but his runs there seem to be a stone clear of his other races so far.
 
I don't think you can dismiss the races quite as easily as you do, JamesRB.

Besides, the question was "Where has he truly impressed away from Cheltenham?".

If not winning a G1 easily in the Deloitte (TTT could have gone round again in a sidecar, and still wouldn't have put a glove on Vautour)..........or your maiden chase against a horse who has gone on to frank the form.........then how "impressive" do you need to be?

These performances are impressive in the context of where they land in the season. There simply aren't many horse's trained to run to season-high ratings in November. Indeed there are very few exceptions to this rule, so it's a little unfair to isolate Vautour alone, on this measurement. His profile is similar to most horse's at the top-end, steady progression, leading to a peak performance at Cheltenham, Aintree and/or Punchestown.

As I've said, Vautour has a little bit to prove now - even if he wasn't fully fit at Ascot (which is something only his next run can confirm). There are sufficient valid reasons to query his chances in the King George, without resorting to spurious ones - of which your theory is an example, imo. :cool:
 
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He wasn't eased much in the market was he ? But I wonder if it's another who's best days were the early days
 
No but If Anyone who's not already on him at bigger prices I wouldn't be rushing to back him now at 11/4,it will e a very strong market on the day and I feel sure there will some 4/1 /9/2 for him
That will be the time for these believers to cash in :cool:
 
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If ever a horse and a race were made for each other it was the King George and Coneygree.

A somewhat similar style of running to S Conti but with the class of Captain Christie he'd have them strung out like a poor mans washing by half way.

Winning a King George requires class speed and stamina and Coneygree has it all.

Cue Card has stamina doubts, Don Cossack stays but I sincerely doubt if he could keep tabs on Coneygree to make his stamina tell
It's very easy to get carried away with the Vatour's off racing but there's a vast difference between winning a JLT and a Gold Cup or King George.

However Coneygree like Carruthers will be out to win the Hennessy which I find it hard to agree with but MB is following a path that has already brought him success.

He will probably win on Saturday but a damn shame if he misses the King George because of it.
 
Tanlic said:
If ever a horse and a race were made for each other it was the King George and Coneygree.

A somewhat similar style of running to S Conti but with the class of Captain Christie he'd have them strung out like a poor mans washing by half way.

Winning a King George requires class speed and stamina and Coneygree has it all.

Cue Card has stamina doubts, Don Cossack stays but I sincerely doubt if he could keep tabs on Coneygree to make his stamina tell
It's very easy to get carried away with the Vatour's off racing but there's a vast difference between winning a JLT and a Gold Cup or King George.

However Coneygree like Carruthers will be out to win the Hennessy which I find it hard to agree with but MB is following a path that has already brought him success.

He will probably win on Saturday but a damn shame if he misses the King George because of it.
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Can we get some SECURITY down here please :D
 
can't remember the last horse to run in both hennessey & king george. not one with gold cup aspirations anyway.

if it does happen they'd be in danger of leaving his season behind before march
 
Don't think there's much chance he'll run at Xmas but hope to see him on Trials day at Cheltenham


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JamesRB said:
can't remember the last horse to run in both hennessey & king george. not one with gold cup aspirations anyway.

if it does happen they'd be in danger of leaving his season behind before march
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Teeton mill won hennesey + kg

if they then give a good break..its possible..personally i'd just rather him go kg...way more prestigious than the handicap
 
JamesRB said:
can't remember the last horse to run in both hennessey & king george. not one with gold cup aspirations anyway.

if it does happen they'd be in danger of leaving his season behind before march
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Burrough Hill Lad won both the Hennessy and King George before injury forced him to miss a repeat attempt at the Gold Cup.

I don't think it's unfair to suggest Coneygree is in that class.

As EC1 says, TM subsequently did the double.

Not impossible.
 
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Diamond Geezer said:
Was there that day, what a horse
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always a fav of mine DG...at that time a guy at work was getting weekend tips..and the guy sending them was getting some great results..we had about 10 weeks where we had decent tips..my local bookie got seriously peed off as the two of us used the same shop and even though he had never seen me and my workmate together he told me he knew the other guy was getting same info ......Teeton Mill was "tipped" when it won the Hennessey and the KG..won some good money off it. I'll assume that its improvement during the summer pre hennessey was pretty well known.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Burrough Hill Lad won both the Hennessy and King George before injury forced him to miss a repeat attempt at the Gold Cup.

I don't think it's unfair to suggest Coneygree is in that class.

As EC1 says, TM subsequently did the double.

Not impossible.
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Teeto Mill won after the KG at Ascot in february but then went lame in the GC..i think its fair to say that winning all 3 races is possible if the horse has a good break post xmas then just a nice tickover race in February rather than any time of hard race then. It depends on the horse really..does Coneygree look like a horse that needs cotton wooling?..i'm not sure he is..he must be pretty tough because when he won at xmas at kempton.. that race would have bottomed most horses on its own..it was a gruelling pace which just crushed every horse including Coneygree into finishing like they had gone 5 miles..even C virtually walked the last 3 fences home. That must have took a lot out of him even though only a novice race...although had any top notchers took part they too would have known they had been in a race. I think he could do all 3 races..he has to be a tough horse just based on last year. Its one hell of an ask to win all 3 races...but we will wait and see.
 
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EC1 said:
always a fav of mine DG...at that time a guy at work was getting weekend tips..and the guy sending them was getting some great results..we had about 10 weeks where we had decent tips..my local bookie got seriously peed off as the two of us used the same shop and even though he had never seen me and my workmate together he told me he knew the other guy was getting same info ......Teeton Mill was "tipped" when it won the Hennessey and the KG..won some good money off it. I'll assume that its improvement during the summer pre hennessey was pretty well known.
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If memory serves, TM hacked up in the foxhunters and got a massive rating for it. Then next season came out and won the Badger Ales before totally hacking up at Newbury. He was a joy to watch.
 
not quite DO..didn't run in foxhunters..won badger off 135..won real easy..then won hennesey by 15 off 139..won impressive..then won KG by 6 gaining rating of 171...in 7 weeks rating went up by 35 lbs..started 7/2 for GC.. lame.
 
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Coneygree, as tough as he is, was off for a whole season 2014-15 with an injury, wasn't he? "Oh they never come back the same, you know".
 
take your SNIDEY LITTLE comment and shove it up yer arse len madeiros

when i read stuff like that from smart arses..i wonder whats the point on here

people with little opinion..who wouldn't have a strong one if it hit em in the head taking cheap pot shots

shove it on here..i'm a little tired by the digs day in day fookin out
 
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Diamond Geezer said:
Being pedantic sorry, but think you mean 2013-14
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he wouldn't know DG..in his haste to look smart he just blurted any old bollox...too many on here who never ever post anything positive..but waste their sad lives going out their way to post negative ones

why don't you dig at other people Len?..do you think i'm an easy target or summat?..well f00k you chap..all you doing is damaging the forum
 
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