King George VI Chase

Double J said:
You don’t watch much sport evidentially.
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I watch probably 20-25 sports regularly. Football absolutely bores the absolute shite out of me these days, I couldn't even give a toss when my own team plays and rarely watch it any more. I found other sports that I normally enjoy to be very underwhelming this year - tennis, rugby and golf have also been very flat.

What's your top moment of the year then, oh sporting guru?
 
Flagship uberalles said:
I watch probably 20-25 sports regularly. Football absolutely bores the absolute shite out of me these days, I couldn't even give a toss when my own team plays and rarely watch it any more. I found other sports that I normally enjoy to be very underwhelming this year - tennis, rugby and golf have also been very flat.

What's your top moment of the year then, oh sporting guru?
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Lake View Lad beating Santini, Native River and Frodon a few week ago.
 
Double J said:
I don’t think you’ll learn anything from the splits, times or reviewing the race.

Poor rides and poor horses, Frodon the exception. Just feels very average/poor. Much like the Ryanair he won.
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Possibly. I suppose, at a stretch, that you could argue that Frodon’s success was just because 3 pulled up so weren’t there on the day (that doesn’t make them poor horses, though), Clan’s run was littered with mistakes (that doesn’t make him a poor horse), Santini couldn’t go the pace (as we know - and it doesn’t make him a poor horse) and Saint Calvados ran out of puff after a long absence (it doesn’t make him a poor horse). How much of this mayhem was brought on by Bryony Frost’s relentless and well-judged front running is, I guess, open to argument, but I still think it was a classy ride on her part.
 
Grass’s King George Synopsis:

Frodon: chalk one up to Bryony Frost - the only jockey who really rode the race to best effect for her mount.

Waiting Patiently: hoovered-up some fruitful place-money on a horse that was never going to win at any stage. Tripless.

Saint Calvados: never dropped the steel, and probably didn’t get home as a result. Connections would be wise to put him away until the Ryanair, and send him there as a fresh horse, where he would have every chance in a division where Min is still beating the best the Irish can offer at the trip.

Santini: ran better than I expected. A decent enough Gold Cup sighter under all the wrong conditions, but still doesn’t jump well enough to win at the Fesival.

CDO: one-trick-pony who is on the downgrade.

Cyrname: non-stayer. Ascot Chase should be next target, and then maybe catch them all with their drawers down in the Celebration Chase over 2m under a forcing ride.

Lostintranslation: goner for a yard in the fu*cking toilet.

Real Steel: name a horse ever to have improved for relocation from Mullins. Go on - I double dare you.

Black Op: Toothy there for the day out at owners expense.
 
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Grasshopper said:
Doesn’t count due to O’Leary tantrum.

PS. Fu*ck off, you technical cu*nt. :lol::cool:
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So a non Gigi? Tough ask
I think you're harsh on Waiting Patiently. That horse was just born at the wrong time - he'd have cleaned up a decade or so ago but these days being anchored at the back just will not work over any trip.
I have to say only Black Op was less fanciable for that than the winner. Can't believe it.
 
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You might be right about timing for WP.

Ten years ago the Dad would still be training it, instead of the utter fu*cking guesser daughter.
 
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Since I was a boy watching KGVI Chases I have seen results like that; Royal Marshall; Wayward Lad year 1;Desert Orchid year 1; Nupsala; See More Business year 1; Edredon Bleu and now Frodon.
All decent horses that were unexpected on the day for a variety of reasons; but a large field played it's part more than once in those races.
The relatively large field played against many as they could not see their fences or get the correct running line or rhythm through the race as being off the rail or switching undoes the best horse around Kempton, especially when the front runner is having a free time of it, they are less likely to stop.
Bryony rode them to sleep , even to the point of letting Frodon run down the fourth last to upset the horse outside her at the time allowing her a breather.
I have said it before but she really is a West Country Frankie Dettori and racing is the better for her winning.
 
barjon said:
I’ll be interested to see the splits in due course (and I wouldn’t be surprised if Simon Rowland has a say about them).
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I'm pretty sure he plans to include a look back at the races in his midweek blog.

I expect him to come to the same measured conclusion as most on here: that Bryony Frost's tactical nous put the more experienced male jockeys to shame.

But it's my due place to offer a much more controversial angle in keeping with my active conspiracy theory complex:

The Nicholls 'family' set the race up for Bryony to win, to enable her to break that record in that race. It might not have come off if the non-Nicholls horses had run their race but they probably quite fancied Frodon to finish third to Cyrname and CDO when somebody came up with idea of those two distracting the other jockeys' attention - surely they would all have been watching where the big two were in the race - allowing her to win. They must have fancied Frodon to run a big race and he was blue across the board yesterday morning so there was definitely money for him.

Just another wild theory that I like to indulge in :ninja::lol:
 
Frodon was allowed to go off 20/1, and would take less than you’d think to move the needle from 33/1. There’s nothing sinister in the betting patterns, imo.

Aside from that, I don’t think these conspiracy theories you sometimes tout do you many favours, DO. You clearly have a sharp racing brain, but you might find its usefulness blunted somewhat, if you continue to chase these sorts of ghosts.
 
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Desert Orchid said:
I'm pretty sure he plans to include a look back at the races in his midweek blog.

I expect him to come to the same measured conclusion as most on here: that Bryony Frost's tactical nous put the more experienced male jockeys to shame.

But it's my due place to offer a much more controversial angle in keeping with my active conspiracy theory complex:

The Nicholls 'family' set the race up for Bryony to win, to enable her to break that record in that race. It might not have come off if the non-Nicholls horses had run their race but they probably quite fancied Frodon to finish third to Cyrname and CDO when somebody came up with idea of those two distracting the other jockeys' attention - surely they would all have been watching where the big two were in the race - allowing her to win. They must have fancied Frodon to run a big race and he was blue across the board yesterday morning so there was definitely money for him.

Just another wild theory that I like to indulge in :ninja::lol:
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Definitely too much alcohol imbibed over the festivities to come up with this theory!
 
Interesting pfn saying Clan des obeaux got stuck behind horses going backwards. Those were my thoughts immediately after the race but that probably only happened because the horse was never going well enough


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viking said:
Interesting pfn saying Clan des obeaux got stuck behind horses going backwards. Those were my thoughts immediately after the race but that probably only happened because the horse was never going well enough


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Yup.
 
Seriously? That's what he said? So nothing said about if jockey had had better position or, hey! go round horses slowing up in front of you before it's too late?
 
G-G said:
Seriously? That's what he said? So nothing said about if jockey had had better position or, hey! go round horses slowing up in front of you before it's too late?
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He isn't going to throw STD under a bus in an interview. No doubt plenty will have been said privately.
 
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