simmo
Senior Jockey
They are not there to rule the world.
Lebanon
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BrianH
At the Start
I suggest that you study history, suny, and take a look at the world before the League of Nations was established. This was replaced by the United Nations in 1945.
Its reason for being is certainly not to rule the world, which you seem to feel should be the job of Bush and Cheney anyway.
Its reason for being is certainly not to rule the world, which you seem to feel should be the job of Bush and Cheney anyway.
Remarkabkly you have become the most prolific poster on the thread since this comment. You must be glued to the keyboard when you stumble upon an interesting thread. [/b][/quote]
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It was boring until I contribute to it.
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Brian
My poor english does not allow me to express me as well as I would like to.
About Bush ruling the world
I much prefer it than a coalition of Ahmadineyads,Evos Morales,Chavez,Castros and all the kind of guys the european progressist like while eating lobbsters in the beach while saying how bad are the yankees.
BrianH
At the Start
suny, let me offer a word of advice from an old political debater. When we had the forum discussions about the likely medium term effects of what was probably an illegal incursion by the USA, the UK and a few others into Iraq (and incidentally some of us would claim to have got that one right) your constant rebuttal was to the effect that if you were against what the "coalition of the willing" was doing you must therefore be in favour of Saddam Hussein.
Now, when Palestine or Lebanon are discussed you employ the same type if argument. To those who question Israel's actions your response is that they must therefore be supporters of Hamas, Hizbullah, or their sponsors Iran and Syria.
I can't recall how many times I have pointed out that that is a false argument - we're not discussing Manchester United v Arsenal (or Real Madrid v Barcelona). It's not a question of being on one side or the other. (I know that the US president early in the Iraq conflict said that those who didn't support his actions must be supporters of the other side, but you are more intelligent than he is.)
These issues are far too important to fall back on simplistic rebutalls. Such remarks do no help to the case of those who make them - the observer thinks to himself "He has no argument, so he relies on weak allegations that are without foundation."
The fact is that the terrorist organisations and those who support and fund them are guilty of atrocities. That western democracies themselves have when it suited them supported illegal organisations makes it no less true. But in the current instance Israel, which has all the rights and protections afforded to a nation state, is doing exactly what the terrorists do in targeting and destroying innocent people. And there can be no justification whatsoever for that.
Now, when Palestine or Lebanon are discussed you employ the same type if argument. To those who question Israel's actions your response is that they must therefore be supporters of Hamas, Hizbullah, or their sponsors Iran and Syria.
I can't recall how many times I have pointed out that that is a false argument - we're not discussing Manchester United v Arsenal (or Real Madrid v Barcelona). It's not a question of being on one side or the other. (I know that the US president early in the Iraq conflict said that those who didn't support his actions must be supporters of the other side, but you are more intelligent than he is.)
These issues are far too important to fall back on simplistic rebutalls. Such remarks do no help to the case of those who make them - the observer thinks to himself "He has no argument, so he relies on weak allegations that are without foundation."
The fact is that the terrorist organisations and those who support and fund them are guilty of atrocities. That western democracies themselves have when it suited them supported illegal organisations makes it no less true. But in the current instance Israel, which has all the rights and protections afforded to a nation state, is doing exactly what the terrorists do in targeting and destroying innocent people. And there can be no justification whatsoever for that.
