Margaret Thatcher dead

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Reported on Sky.

I've just realised this is in the wrong section. Despite my posts on Mrs T over the years, I do not consider her death to be a 'sport' - just in case it is taken the wrong way. Perhaps Admin could shift this into the correct forum.
 
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Absolutely tragic. She was easily the most inspirational, endearing and considerate Britain ever to have graced the earth.


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I am reading Dominic Sandbrooks brilliant (and its his best yet) Seasons in the Sun now. I am old enough to remember that 75-79 era well and the book certainly re-emphasises what good fist Callaghan and Healey made of the crisis, but it was all too late. The country was in a state which is hard to comprehend now.

Whatever anyone thinks of her and her policies (and i i certainly didnt agree with all..poll tax etc), she transformed the landscape. She was in right place at right time (and Callaghan rightly predicted that the country had had enough and there was to be a "sea change") but it took some mettle to see through her beliefs.

Its not so much the actual political change that was her legacy but the cultural one. Ok the eighties could seem greedily ugly but the move to an enterprising "can do" business environment was essential and absolutely invaluable. That cannot be underestimated. This is a country with a great enterprising individualistic culture and she went a long way to unlocking that

Anyone who disagrees with the economic assessment need to get their head round 75-79 first and explain to us what possible future this nation had at that stage

RIP



*As a footnote, thought the commentary by john pinnear on R5 was bordering a disgrace
 
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Good and approptiate quote, Euro!

I cried with rage when she won her first election, abhor many of the things she brought to pass but applaud others. I doubt anyone around at that time could have resolved the massive problems that beset the country without the approbrium which many heap upon her now.
I would liken the way she is considered to that which many consider Cromwell with equal respect and hatred.
 
I find myself strangely ambivalent.

I am not dancing with joy at her passing - which I'd expected to be. In the end-game, she was an octogenarian with a debilitating, mental-illness, and it goes against my personal grain to celebrate in such circumstances.

That's not to say I absolve her of any of her sins; principal amongst them being her absolute refusal to display any regret about any of her policies at any time.
 
I've already had a text from someone inviting me to a party tonight.

(I have declined as it would be in poor taste.)
 
A politician of another era

nowdays it is more in fashion people like Obama, Hugo Chavez or Ahmadineyav
 
You are talking out of turn

A scouser pontificating about work and industry is like Jimmy Saville discussing family values
 
Can't say I agree with all of what Gerry Adams had to say today, but good to see someone prepared to stand up and point out that she was an evil old hag.

I'd have preferred to have seen him speaking the words overdubbed by an Englishman trying to do an Irish accent though.
 
Yes. Coming from someone who ordered the execution (and possibly carried out) the murder of a widowed mother of ten
 
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Yes. Coming from someone who ordered the execution (and possibly carried out) the murder of a widowed mother of ten
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Which one of them was that then - the place where I saw the statement had rather a lot of comments calling her a murderer, but I don't have you down as an Irish nationalist?
 
principal amongst them being her absolute refusal to display any regret about any of her policies at any time.
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Which makes her unique amongst politicians then.
 
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Which makes her unique amongst politicians then.
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Hard to disagree, clivex.

Having conviction is all very well, but it can cross-over to 'destructive arrogance' if it isn't carefully policed. Mrs Thatch sometimes didn't know (or possibly didn't care) where that boundary was. :cool:
 
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Is that supposed to be funny or what?
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Nope. Genuinely perplexed about why you would bring up the actions of Gerry Adams in relation to a comment stating "I can't say I agree with all of what Gerry Adams had to say today, but ....(I agreed with some of it)" and as a result thought that I might have got hold of the wrong end of the stick and you were actually a closet fenian who blamed Thatcher for the death of the ten hunger strikers (for example).

I do appreciate though, that holding more than one train of thought at the same time isn't your strong point.
 
Grass

True. But thats bloody women for you isnt it

More seriously, i think that right across the political spectrum any rational person knew that we couldn't carry on as we did and radical change was required. it wasnt just the economy that was rotten but the whole working culture and where the fck were we going?

She was wrong on certain issues for sure but which would be rolled back now? Not many.....

Having said that, it did tip over. Europe and the poll tax ultimately brought her down
 
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Undoubtedly my family have prospered with 'Modern' UK, something initiated by Margaret Thatcher. But, I have major concerns what value is left for the next generation.

These last 35 years do seem to have the image of 'dash and grab what you can!'

That sums up my judgement of 'Thatcherism' - not a time to be proud of.

MR2
 
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