Margaret Thatcher dead

I love the talk about selfishness. No grouping at any time in post war history was as self motivated, greedy and completely without any regard for the country as a whole as the unions in the late 70s

Although not all unions acted in the same manner it was out of control and few economists of any persausion would disagree that britain was devoid of any future

As for simmos boring student post agree that when you have to attack the family you really are in a mess
 
Why is it good that people could be clearly for or against a policy? Would that not be a divisive policy?

In answer to the rest of your post; I would say that UK politics is more moderate now. With Labour and the Condems taking aspects of left-wing and right-wing policies both socially and economically. Or domestically and internationally. I think moderation is a very good thing as extremism didn't work too well in the last century.
 
Just one for simmo and Harry

I was probably as impressed with her as at any time when she "let the hunger strikers die". I thought that was fantastic and took great nerve and commitment. She was right too regardless of what anyone thinks of their cause.
 
Ravenscraig was a disgrace. Not so long ago I read an entirely apolitical book on post war British industrial history (believe me It was fascinating...) and the plant was held up as the textbook example of horrendous wasted public funds being poured into a wholly unnecessary facility hat never made a penny and was developed for little more than political reasons.

Public money being poured to maintain non jobs (and browns public sector ballooning was a further example of this) for little more than vote catching reasons or simple pork barrel politics is an absolute disgrace and a huge reason why any administration should get the boot
 
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clivex said:
Just one for simmo and Harry

I was probably as impressed with her as at any time when she "let the hunger strikers die". I thought that was fantastic and took great nerve and commitment. She was right too regardless of what anyone thinks of their cause.
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Me too.

Re Ravenscraig - it was making an operating profit when they shut it. The plant they kept open was not. The other plant wasn't in Scotland, which is no sort of basis to be making such decisions on. It was a purely political decision designed to f*ck over Scotland. (To be fair, it was just a short time after she attended the Scottish Cup Final to thousands of fans singing "Maggie, maggie, get tae f*ck")
 
That's not how I read it but in truth accounting can be presented in so many different ways. Which costs were applied and where etc

Wider point maybe valid or maybe she simply didnt treat Scotland as the "special case" that appears to be labours speciality over the years. As with the miners, it could just as much been pure economic discipline with no wider factors considered and in truth there is something very admirable about that
 
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On top of all that, she pinched our school milk.
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But the milk was gross - I hated break time especially in the warmer months as invariably the milk had been left out and it was like drinking thin cheese. I dreaded the crate of milk appearing with those pale pink straws and you had to drink every last drop.
 
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But the milk was gross - I hated break time especially in the warmer months as invariably the milk had been left out and it was like drinking thin cheese. I dreaded the crate of milk appearing with those pale pink straws and you had to drink every last drop.
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You were unlucky then 'cos it wasn't where I went to school.
 
One useful side effect of her death and one she would have appreciated, is that yet again the usual rubbish on the left have been shown up for what they are. And what they are is completely unelectable

Most of it isn't worth quoting of course and I'll stick to my principles of not wishing a reciprocal death on anyone. Even George Galloway

Ken livingstone blamed "every" .problem we have today on her. Every? Would a five year old make such a stupid statement?

Mind you she did have a lot of Jews in the cabinet didn't she ken?
 
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I remember school milk and jinny was right. It stank. Absolutely horrible. It was like going down on a bag lady (not that I've tried)
 
So it's not just her enemies dancing about gloating at the moment, clive?
 
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School milk was ace.

Proper full cream milk. Lovely and cool. And in proper glass bottles. I used to cadge extra off classmates that weren't milk drinkers or the janny.
 
No idea what you are sayong ? Some of the tributes have been a bit silly but you can accpet that in such circumstances. But sneering is childish. If you have nothing nice to say etc.
 
I don't like the sneering and finger-pointing either, but it's coming from more than just one side. Both camps are using the occasion of her death to point fingers and thump chests.
 
To be fair..her life finished when they dispatched her from the top job

I think everything you need to know about Thatcher is how she lost her leadership and spent the last 20 years of her life a lonely soul. She turned everyone close to her in her own party against her and had no support whatsover in the end. The sign of a dislikeable creature that had her day and wore out all those around her in the end.

I'm sure a lot of the new tories that had nothing to do with her will all be crowing about what a marvel she was..but those that served in her cabinet would need to be extremely hyprocritical to pass glowing comments

not a nice person to be fair
 
Frankly that's rubbish ec. Most in the cabinet would agree that she was a major figure whos achievements, whether you agree with them or not, were huge

Because she fell out with some over certain issues towards the end it would be ridiculous not to grant them the ability to see the overall picture

Many leaders are isolated after they leave the limelight. It's the nature of the beast. Wilson had a very lonely and sad end and for similar health reasons. Heath hung around in parliament but was embittered. Gordon brown has disappeared off the face of the earth. Blair has found a role of sorts but is well removed from the party now and major seems to have found a contented life, but those two had age on heir side. Possibly fair to say that callaghan continued close to the party in he lords and was quite effective I recall.
 
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Frankly that's rubbish ec. Most in the cabinet would agree that she was a major figure whos achievements, whether you agree with them or not, were huge

Because she fell out with some over certain issues towards the end it would be ridiculous not to grant them the ability to see the overall picture

Many leaders are isolated after they leave the limelight. It's the nature of the beast. Wilson had a very lonely and sad end and for similar health reasons. Heath hung around in parliament but was embittered. Gordon brown has disappeared off the face of the earth. Blair has found a role of sorts but is well removed from the party now and major seems to have found a contented life, but those two had age on heir side. Possibly fair to say that callaghan continued close to the party in he lords and was quite effective I recall.
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no its not rubbish Clive..she was loathed within the cabinet towards the end..Ken Clarke hasn't got much good to say about her even now as a person..she was a nasty bully..the main reason Howe went was she showed him up at every opportunity in front of the others...Clarke said it was pitiful to watch

in the last 20 years she's been lonely for good reason..no fecker wanted owt to do with her..tells me a lot

the politicianing she did is an aside to me....as a person..she was awful

i'll throw a quick quiz question in..on the morning of the 79 election..what was the headline on the Sporting life cover?
 
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I'm getting so sick of the sycophantic TV coverage, I'm thinking of accepting the invitation to another party.

Even BBC Scotland were at it this evening, eulogising her.
 
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