Michael Jackson?

For God's sake, girl - you talk about everyone else having chips on their shoulders? Chill, take a pull, read some of the advice that so many people are dishing out & stop gratuitously insulting/offending/provoking/snapping at/needling people.
 
It helps if you have a basis of knowledge from which to ask questions or to make statements, I find, madam. You've stated a lifelong fascination with serial murderers and you've stated that profilers have helped the (British) police to bring murderers to justice 'sooner'. I've also been interested in murder since childhood, and once thought being a detective would be interesting. I'm still not averse to learning how cases get solved, by whom, and by which methods. When I ask you a few questions about something you say you're interested in, you don't seem to know anything about it or ignore it (Colin Stagg - profiler success or cock-up?).

You make statements, but what's behind them? No, don't bother, I've lost interest in you now, anyway, but there are plenty of other forumites on here who I'm sure will be entranced by your erudite postings. :)
 
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Originally posted by jejquade@Mar 9 2005, 11:02 PM
Humans aren't nice. Never have been never will be. Its our nature
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Your really listening to the wrong kind of music if this thread is anything to go by.
 
I think it is important to realise, that not everyone on this forum is the same age. Please let all people have an opinion without falling out, or you end up with people just not posting. Joanne is fully entitled to her opinion, and I feel needs encouragement to explain her views rather than people jumping on her and continually picking faults with her argument. It must be very daunting if Joanne is in her late teens to come up against some people that are a good few years older with views sometimes set in stone. Listen and explain and question without dismissing her like a child as it has come across at times. No one says we all have to agree on her views which I find fascinating. I am sure Joanne could learn from a few people on here too if the discussion is done in the right way. B)
 
Thanks for the back up Kathy, but i am actually just about to turn 24. I am new to forums, my fiancee has been on one for years about his interests and i thought i'd give it a try. I'm also getting to grips with expressing my views clearly through typing, which sometimes is like a txt message can sometimes be taken the wrong way. I am alot better at expressing my views and explaining them better face to face. But hopefully in time i can transfer that onto here, then i won't get my head bitten off for saying something i can easily explain in my head and people around instead of wording it badly on here.

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Sorry Joanne, I thought I read somewhere you were abit younger :unsure: It just seems recently there are more younger people on this forum on here, which is great, and at my age, anyone in their twenties is still very much a youngster!!! :D It takes time to try and convey into words what you are thinking and you should always be willing to listen to both sides, which I know you mostly do. I think some of us fogies could learn to do the same at times without sounding like we are preaching. Debate away and sorry about getting your age wrong..... B) :shy:
 
Hmmmmmm. My seven and a half year old daughter saw the breakfast news on BBC1 this morning and she asked me why Michael Jackson was in court. What had he done wrong? :huh: How could I explain that one to her? After some quick thinking I chickened out and just said that the boys were saying that MJ made them drink wine and look at nudey magazines, and MJ says he didn't make them do it they were naughty and did it behind his back :confused:
 
Kathy - of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, and Joanna, a fully-fledged adult, has fully defended her right to hold quite a lot, even if she doesn't discuss the rationale for them. It's one thing to just baldly state opinions, it's another to be open to discuss or debate issues - which I look forward to her doing sometime. There's nothing ageist or 'for' or 'against' about it, just that when people state 'blah is blah' you expect them to realize it's up for discussion - that being the point of a forum.
 
Krizon, not everyone can debate in the same way as perhaps you and say Brian Hartigan can. It is an art. Some people have an opinion, a strong one at that, but cannot sometimes put it into words, and may not even really know why they hold that opinion and it comes across that they don't know what they are talking about so they may hit out in frustration. I think many would agree that debating on a forum is sometimes hard work especially when there are people like you, that are clearly highly intelligent, articulate and have been debating on many subjects for many years. It is not meant as a criticsm, quite the opposite, but it must be quite daunting sometimes for people to try to put their point or opinion across without feeling they are being patronised by those that hold even stronger opinions and are better are at putting these opinions across. Does that make sense? :rolleyes:
 
Oy Joanne, my comment was meant as a generalisation.... not specific! Keep up the debating! B)
 
Kathy , I'm sorry but this is one project of you'res too far. You know I have not been against you when the majority were and you know I hope that I'm not swayed by popular opinion but if I'm brutaly honest I think you're only championing this one so as to manipulate the naive so and so and therefore have one more person on your side which I think is incredibly sad . I'm sorry Kathy , I used to respect you but I find you wholly transparent now , As for you Joanne , far from having difficulty in expressing your opinion you have done so remarkably well , so your professed shyness is a little hard to swallow . Just don't use you age as an excuse when people disagree with you . Live and learn and good advice would be not to rely on Kathy as your champion around this place .
 
Hold on a minute, Sols! Kathy - there's another fiver in the post for those highly-flattering, unsolicited testimonials!

Christ, I hope I DON'T sound patronizing - but if I'm sometimes determined to challenge or question a statement made by someone - anyone, regardless of who they are - well, that's just my style. I'm no different in 'real' life to how I am on here. I'm not trying to score points or belittle anyone, but a good discussion always interests me, while just flat statements don't. Solerina's an excellent debater, very vivid and very passionate about many subjects. Sometimes I agree with her, sometimes I like to present a different point of view, regardless of whether it's one I hold or not. We can have a good go-round (I've enjoyed a couple with the thoughtful RIVAL, for example), and no personal attacks are made.

I never look upon the forum as a place on which any of us should show off: I've learned loads of stuff since I joined it some years back, I'm still learning, and I'm delighted to have made real friendships with many forumites.
 
Jon , I do appreciate your viewpoint . All of us should welcome new members and encourage them to express their views especially if we disagree because it leads to good debqate and is healthy . More obviously it encourages those who are new to racing . I know I was a bit intimidated when I started posting but the more I persisted I was taken heed of and learnt alot from the people who I disagreed with .
That's my background here on the forum but I took a decision to disagree with jejquade on one topic and then a second and a third . I gave my reasons in each instance . I just disagree with alot of her views .
I won't discuss this further except to say I strongly disagree with certain opinions and I feel one member has taken advantage of that person's alienation from the group in a vain attempt to curry support for their "gang" . We are all in this together and THAT galls me more than anything because why the hell bother have a forum unless we help each other . I've never met nicer people . I've never been invited to so many meetings in every corner of the UK . It sickens me to see this forum used in a negative way .
 
And, Solerina, if you get sick of the corners, come to Birmingham, smack bang in the centre!!!
 
Solerina, you are way, way off of the mark on this one. I am not about to enter a slanging match with you about it but for the record I really don't need anyone on my side. B)

Not overly sure what or who has rattled you but clearly something has. I will leave it at that.
 
Quite depressing though when you backtrack over that woman's posts . She doesnt seem to have an ounce of humanity , so why back her up , someone who has displayed scant regard for the idea of debate , She makes silly statements then is offended when people don't back her up but you'll back her up won't you . You're the only one. Kathy the last thing you are is stupid so I can only assume you have an agenda . The women is arrogant and two dimensional so she suits your needs . I'm sorry that I'm had to come to this opinion . I really am .
 
Solerina, you are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. I don't have an agenda. Let's leave it at that.
 
Aiden , no offence but there's alot going on here and it does include you so listen first please . It's a question of what you want this forum to be about . The reason I am kicking off is because I felt Kathy was taking advantage of the situation which could ultimately undermine the forum . So it's not a personal spat . I have no grievance personally with Kathy .
 
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