Murtagh at Ballydoyle

Gearoid said:
How many will he win?
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God that's like saying "what would have happened if we didn't save the banks"!! WE WILL NEVER KNOW. so it's an easy argument to make. How in gods name do we know how many classics moore will win. You say it is best to be freelance, but only if your stables produce the winners. How often does Stoute win an Ire/UK classic? Or Ed Dunlop? Then compare to APO'B and let us know as we can only go on history and not the future as we don't know who Moore will be riding for in the years to come, whether Stoute will still be training etc etc.
 
Cantoris said:
God that's like saying "what would have happened if we didn't save the banks"!! WE WILL NEVER KNOW. so it's an easy argument to make. How in gods name do we know how many classics moore will win. You say it is best to be freelance, but only if your stables produce the winners. How often does Stoute win an Ire/UK classic? Or Ed Dunlop? Then compare to APO'B and let us know as we can only go on history and not the future as we don't know who Moore will be riding for in the years to come, whether Stoute will still be training etc etc.
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You are making my point for me. Now please answer, how many English Classic winners have Ballydoyle had in the last 5 years?
 
When you actually try and think of a replacement (and a likely one) it is really pretty difficult to come up with someone. Makes me think Murtagh will still be there next year.
 
trackside528 said:
Agreed ~ the type of job that would drive a man to drink if you ask me.
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I'm not political, so couldn't give a rashers, but thought the coverage was a bit OTT. His advisors should be sacked. Clearly he'd had a few pints, there was a bit of music maybe and he had to raise his voice to talk to people. I'm the same way myself after a wedding/night out. But I'm not always hungover. So a bit unfair to say a hoarse voice means you are hungover. What he said was pretty coherent. But he shouldn't have been let do the interview with a hoarse voice and three hours sleep.

PS for those across the water that mightn't have heard, our Taoiseach is now being compared to Boris Yeltsin!!
 
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Cantoris said:
I'm not political, so couldn't give a rashers, but thought the coverage was a bit OTT. His advisors should be sacked. Clearly he'd had a few pints, there was a bit of music maybe and he had to raise his voice to talk to people. I'm the same way myself after a wedding/night out. But I'm not always hungover. So a bit unfair to say a hoarse voice means you are hungover. What he said was pretty coherent. But he shouldn't have been let do the interview with a hoarse voice and three hours sleep.

PS for those across the water that mightn't have heard, our Taoiseach is now being compared to Boris Yeltsin!!
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Not to mention the fact it was his round at the time...
 
Gearoid said:
You are making my point for me. Now please answer, how many English Classic winners have Ballydoyle had in the last 5 years?
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You've lost me again, you keep saying Moore will ride more classic winners where he is than with Ballydoyle. How do you know that? Do you read tea leaves? If so, what are the lotto numbers on Saturday as I'm sure I'll win it at some stage in the future :p

On the statistical question, I'll leave that to Gal whose the real master of Ballydoyle.
 
Galileo said:
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That's surely more than Stoute or any other yards Moore rides for. Stoute had Conduit a few years back but not sure what other classic winner he had since North Light. So I still don't get how G can say he will ride 1 classic winner a year when history does not suggest his yards produce that. So he will have to pick up spare rides which will be hard enough to come by when his trainers are likely to have runners in each classic.

PS I personally wouldn't be bothered about classics but how many group 1s the jock will win. Singspiel, Pilsudski etc would be nice horses to be riding even if you didn't win a classic with them. Ditto for RVW, Lillie Langtry, F&G etc.
 
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Cantoris said:
You've lost me again, you keep saying Moore will ride more classic winners where he is than with Ballydoyle. How do you know that? Do you read tea leaves? If so, what are the lotto numbers on Saturday as I'm sure I'll win it at some stage in the future :p

On the statistical question, I'll leave that to Gal whose the real master of Ballydoyle.
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[FONT=&quot]I don't know anything but I don't see how he is at a disadvantage by not taking the "top job in European racing". He will get top rides in the classics regardless so therefore he is above the Ballydoyle job because it cannot offer him anything extra[/FONT]
 
The Ballydoyle tally since 2005...don't have the winners this year to hand.



2005
Footstepsinthesand 2,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
George Washington Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
George Washington National Stakes The Curragh 7f
Horatio Nelson Grand Criterium Longchamp 7f
Oratorio Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown 1m 2f
Oratorio Eclipse Stakes Sandown 1m 2f
Powerscourt Arlington Million Stakes Arlington 1m 2f
Rumplestiltskin Prix Marcel Boussac Longchamp 1m
Rumplestiltskin Moyglare Stud Stakes The Curragh 7f
Scorpion St Leger Doncaster 1m 6f
Scorpion Grand Prix de Paris Longchamp 1m 4f
Virginia Waters 1,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
Yeats Coronation Cup Epsom 1m 4f
2006
Ad Valorem Queen Anne Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Alexandrova Oaks Epsom 1m 4f
Alexandrova Irish Oaks The Curragh 1m 4f
Alexandrova Yorkshire Oaks York 1m 4f
Aussie Rules Turf Mile Keeneland 1m
Aussie Rules Poule d’Essai des Poulains Longchamp 1m
Dylan Thomas Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown 1m 2f
Dylan Thomas Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
George Washington Queen Elizabeth II Stakes Ascot 1m
George Washington 2,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
Holy Roman Emperor Grand Criterium Longchamp 7f
Holy Roman Emperor Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
Mount Nelson Criterium International Saint-Cloud 1m
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
2007
Astronomer Royal Prix d’Essai des Poulains Longchamp 1m
Dylan Thomas King George VI & Queen Elizabeth S. Ascot 1m 4f
Dylan Thomas Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown 1m 2f
Dylan Thomas Prix Ganay Longchamp 1m 2f
Dylan Thomas Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe Longchamp 1m 4f
Excellent Art St James’s Palace Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Listen Fillies Mile Ascot 1m
Peeping Fawn Nassau Stakes Goodwood 1m 1f
Peeping Fawn Pretty Polly Stakes The Curragh 1m 2f
Peeping Fawn Irish Oaks The Curragh 1m 4f
Peeping Fawn Yorkshire Oaks York 1m 4f
Scorpion Coronation Cup Epsom 1m 4f
Soldier Of Fortune Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
Yeats St Leger The Curragh 1m 6f
2008
Duke of Marmalade Prix Ganay Longchamp 1m 2f
Duke of Marmalade International Stakes Newmarket 1m 2f
Duke of Marmalade Prince of Wales’s Stakes Royal Ascot 1m 2f
Duke of Marmalade King George VI & Queen Elizabeth S. Ascot 1m 4f
Duke of Marmalade Gold Cup The Curragh 1m 2f
Fame And Glory Criterium de Saint-Cloud Saint-Cloud 1m 2f
Frozen Fire Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
Halfway To Heaven Nassau Stakes Goodwood 1m 1f
Halfway To Heaven Sun Chariot Stakes Newmarket 1m
Halfway To Heaven Irish 1,000 Guineas The Curragh 1m 2f
Haradasun Queen Anne Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Henrythenavigator Sussex Stakes Goodwood 1m
Henrythenavigator 2,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
Henrythenavigator St James’s Palace Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Henrythenavigator Irish 2,000 Guineas The Curragh 1m
Mastercraftsman National Stakes The Curragh 7f
Mastercraftsman Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
Moonstone Irish Oaks The Curragh 1m 4f
Mount Nelson Eclipse Stakes Sandown 1m 2f
Septimus Irish St Leger The Curragh 1m 6f
Soldier Of Fortune Coronation Cup Epsom 1m 4f
Yeats Prix Royal-Oak Longchamp 1m 7f
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
2009
Alfred Nobel Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
Beethoven Dewhurst Stakes Newmarket 7f
Fame And Glory Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
Jan Vermeer Criterium International Saint-Cloud 1m
Mastercraftsman St James’s Palace Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Mastercraftsman Irish 2,000 Guineas The Curragh 1m
Rip Van Winkle Queen Elizabeth II Stakes Ascot 1m
Rip Van Winkle Sussex Stakes Goodwood 1m
St Nicholas Abbey Racing Post Trophy Doncaster 1m
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
 
Galileo said:
Correct...and Godolphin have had two. If Classic winners is the sole barometer..
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You are not factoring Frankie being left appear on "A question Of Sport". I'd rather ride Sue Baker than a Derby winner any day.
 
Galileo said:
The Ballydoyle tally since 2005...don't have the winners this year to hand.



2005
Footstepsinthesand 2,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
George Washington Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
George Washington National Stakes The Curragh 7f
Horatio Nelson Grand Criterium Longchamp 7f
Oratorio Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown 1m 2f
Oratorio Eclipse Stakes Sandown 1m 2f
Powerscourt Arlington Million Stakes Arlington 1m 2f
Rumplestiltskin Prix Marcel Boussac Longchamp 1m
Rumplestiltskin Moyglare Stud Stakes The Curragh 7f
Scorpion St Leger Doncaster 1m 6f
Scorpion Grand Prix de Paris Longchamp 1m 4f
Virginia Waters 1,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
Yeats Coronation Cup Epsom 1m 4f
2006
Ad Valorem Queen Anne Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Alexandrova Oaks Epsom 1m 4f
Alexandrova Irish Oaks The Curragh 1m 4f
Alexandrova Yorkshire Oaks York 1m 4f
Aussie Rules Turf Mile Keeneland 1m
Aussie Rules Poule d’Essai des Poulains Longchamp 1m
Dylan Thomas Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown 1m 2f
Dylan Thomas Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
George Washington Queen Elizabeth II Stakes Ascot 1m
George Washington 2,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
Holy Roman Emperor Grand Criterium Longchamp 7f
Holy Roman Emperor Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
Mount Nelson Criterium International Saint-Cloud 1m
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
2007
Astronomer Royal Prix d’Essai des Poulains Longchamp 1m
Dylan Thomas King George VI & Queen Elizabeth S. Ascot 1m 4f
Dylan Thomas Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown 1m 2f
Dylan Thomas Prix Ganay Longchamp 1m 2f
Dylan Thomas Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe Longchamp 1m 4f
Excellent Art St James’s Palace Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Listen Fillies Mile Ascot 1m
Peeping Fawn Nassau Stakes Goodwood 1m 1f
Peeping Fawn Pretty Polly Stakes The Curragh 1m 2f
Peeping Fawn Irish Oaks The Curragh 1m 4f
Peeping Fawn Yorkshire Oaks York 1m 4f
Scorpion Coronation Cup Epsom 1m 4f
Soldier Of Fortune Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
Yeats St Leger The Curragh 1m 6f
2008
Duke of Marmalade Prix Ganay Longchamp 1m 2f
Duke of Marmalade International Stakes Newmarket 1m 2f
Duke of Marmalade Prince of Wales’s Stakes Royal Ascot 1m 2f
Duke of Marmalade King George VI & Queen Elizabeth S. Ascot 1m 4f
Duke of Marmalade Gold Cup The Curragh 1m 2f
Fame And Glory Criterium de Saint-Cloud Saint-Cloud 1m 2f
Frozen Fire Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
Halfway To Heaven Nassau Stakes Goodwood 1m 1f
Halfway To Heaven Sun Chariot Stakes Newmarket 1m
Halfway To Heaven Irish 1,000 Guineas The Curragh 1m 2f
Haradasun Queen Anne Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Henrythenavigator Sussex Stakes Goodwood 1m
Henrythenavigator 2,000 Guineas Newmarket 1m
Henrythenavigator St James’s Palace Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Henrythenavigator Irish 2,000 Guineas The Curragh 1m
Mastercraftsman National Stakes The Curragh 7f
Mastercraftsman Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
Moonstone Irish Oaks The Curragh 1m 4f
Mount Nelson Eclipse Stakes Sandown 1m 2f
Septimus Irish St Leger The Curragh 1m 6f
Soldier Of Fortune Coronation Cup Epsom 1m 4f
Yeats Prix Royal-Oak Longchamp 1m 7f
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
2009
Alfred Nobel Phoenix Stakes The Curragh 6f
Beethoven Dewhurst Stakes Newmarket 7f
Fame And Glory Irish Derby The Curragh 1m 4f
Jan Vermeer Criterium International Saint-Cloud 1m
Mastercraftsman St James’s Palace Stakes Royal Ascot 1m
Mastercraftsman Irish 2,000 Guineas The Curragh 1m
Rip Van Winkle Queen Elizabeth II Stakes Ascot 1m
Rip Van Winkle Sussex Stakes Goodwood 1m
St Nicholas Abbey Racing Post Trophy Doncaster 1m
Yeats Gold Cup Royal Ascot 2m 4f
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Sometimes you have to be pedantic - Could you please filter out the winners the retained jockey did not ride?
 
2010

Tattersalls Millions Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1) Cape Blanco
Coolmore Fusaichi Pegasus Matron Stakes (Group 1) Lillie Langtry
Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1) Misty For Me
Juddmonte International Stakes (Group 1) Rip Van Winkle
Keeneland Phoenix Stakes (Group 1) Zoffany
Darley July Cup (Group 1) 09Jul10 Starspangledbanner
Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (Group 1) Cape Blanco
Golden Jubilee Stakes (Group 1) Starspangledbanner
Coronation Stakes (Group 1) Lillie Langtry
Investec Coronation Cup (Group 1) Fame And Glory
Tattersalls Gold Cup (Group 1) Fame And Glory
 
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