Novice Hurdlers 2012-13

Jezki's trainer certainly thinks he'll handle it but saying it and doing it are two different things......he handles soft better than most that's for sure but it still begs the question of how well he'll travel at what is not far short of Champion Hurdle pace in the Supreme?

Can't agree with your comments on Ned Buntline's at all he does not have a exceptionally high knee action or nothing like it......He looks a pretty standard type of gallop-er who would appreciate better ground where he could use his natural speed to better affect. I would be slightly concerned the Cheltenham Hill might find him out if it did come up soft in March as NM said he didn't get the 2m2f trip on soft ground at Fairyhouse but on Good to Soft or better that should not be a problem.

I couldn't fault his performance the other day he came under a typical Paul Carberry ride to beat what was in front of him and did so with the minimum of fuss having traveled like a dream throughout. It certainly put a smile on JP's face who had gone there to watch him run.

Anyway you wouldn't want them to be setting the world alight at this time of the season........We've saw it all before with these would be super horses who more often than not find one or two too good for them on the day like Dunguib who looked a stone better than Jezki does yet he failed to win it.
 
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I think the Royal Bond represents the best form race. It wouldn't be a surprise if Champagne Fever steps up in trip and wins a Neptune QUOTE]

interesting in the rp today patrick mullins put him up above pont alexandra for the neptune

ned buntlines trainer's form at the festival would be a cocern
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treetangle said:
I think the Royal Bond represents the best form race. It wouldn't be a surprise if Champagne Fever steps up in trip and wins a Neptune QUOTE]

interesting in the rp today patrick mullins put him up above pont alexandra for the neptune

ned buntlines trainer's form at the festival would be a cocern
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reet hard - I think that it is extremely unlikely that Geraghty's availability dictates running plans . If he is needed he rides them for henderson as was the case earlier this week when Jezki was at Leopardstown . If Geraghty had indeed chosen to ride Jezki on 10 Nov then Henderson would still have run the horses he thought that should run . My opinion is that it was because he was not needed he was let off .

Bobbyjo appears to be suggesting that Geraghty is not retained by Henderson - I thought that was the case ?
 
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treetangle said:
I think the Royal Bond represents the best form race. It wouldn't be a surprise if Champagne Fever steps up in trip and wins a Neptune QUOTE]

interesting in the rp today patrick mullins put him up above pont alexandra for the neptune

ned buntlines trainer's form at the festival would be a cocern
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After Pont Alexandre won bookmakers initially rushed out prices for the Neptune and unfortunately some punters swallowed the bait. Always far more likely that Champagne Fever would step up in trip for the Neptune.
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yes a slight negative to some extent but he should still have some idea of rankings in the stable. as impressive as PA was champagne fever does have a good profile for a neptune G1 bumper form course form some good 2m form whilst appearing he would be more suited by 2m 5f. with Pa going to the Alfred bartlett mullins could clean up the 2 long distance novices.

Ardross Geraughty is retained by Henderson
 
Lads, I don't want to get into an argument on this but it is 100% the case Geraghty will not be riding Jezki, unless Henderson has no runner or a 50/1 shot (which the runner will never be anyway coming from that stable). Ardross is right. Look at Steps to Freedom this year, practically favourite - Geraghty rode Tetlami, nearly twice the odds. It will be the same this year.

If you still think I'm wrong ask yourselves why didn't Geraghty ride Jezki the last day? Because he rode what Henderson needed him for, and it will be exactly the same come March.

Sorry if this comes across as righteous, but there is simply no way Geraghty rides Jezki. He is retained by Henderson.
 
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Grasshoppers remark about the closeness of Henderson and Harrington was the interesting point.
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It is actually not very interesting at all :) No offence GH :p

If anyone can show where Geraghty has got off a Henderson horse in the festival for a Harrington horse, then it becomes interesting. He doesn't, because he is retained by Henderson. Look, friends is one thing, but they are in competition, and Henderson behind his blasé exterior is very competitive. If you think I'm wrong, why didn't he get off Tetlami last March?

Imagine if you were an owner with Nicky and he was letting his retained jockey, who is for me the best big race jockey, off to ride against one of your horses.
 
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Hamm said:
Sorry if this comes across as righteous, but there is simply no way Geraghty rides Jezki. He is retained by Henderson.
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In the same way that Robbie Power is retained by Jessica H, but it neither stopped him being usurped on Jezki, or Nicky H relinquishing BG's services for the day.
 
i agree with Hamm no way would geraughty risk his position with henderson just to ride one horse especially as that horse is only at the end of the day contesting a novice hurdle

for those backing jezki hoping geraughty gets the ride they will have to pray henderson either doesnt have a runner of his runner is one of the 50/1 rags
 
We'll see what happens in March,

I wouldn't be put off by Power anyway

Fair to say Jezki a different proposition to Steps To Freedom

And whoever made the comment about Irish novice form often being unreliable..Sweet Wake etc...it's a fair point but Jezki's last two races have been run at a decent clip. Not a jog and a sprint.
 
I wish followers of Jezki the best, he looks a top horse with a bright future, no doubt. But as Tanlic pointed out so did Dunguib. So did Cousin Vinny, so did Cue Card. We've been here before, in fact we're here every year. I wouldnt lay the horse but I definitely wouldnt be backing it at 5/1 at this stage. Supreme winners tend to be unexposed types with scope for improvement and not horses with a string of 1's beside their name.
 
Looking back at those Hezz mentioned I never did like Cousin Vinny and thought he was a boat but Dunguib? How could he lose they even said he'd win the Champion Hurdle if the decided to go for it. Cue Card got tarred with the same brush but never looked like winning the race.

I coundn't see Binocular losing the race and what happens?...........some Irish Horse I have paid little or no attention to under the same ownership kicks has a$$.

The Supreme novices hurdle is one of the toughest races to work out simply because they are top class novices who could at anytime improve 10lbs in a matter of weeks.

I agree with Hezz he's cracking horse Jezki and stand out in his home country but to even suggest he's any sort of good thing to win a race on ground he may never have encountered against a bunch of novices who could be anything and some of which haven't even run yet is as good as it gets.........actually doing it is something else/ It may turn out I'll back him on the day, maybe not but he simply hasn't impressed me as much as the likes of Binocular did to be backing him half blind ante post
 
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He's impressed me,looks a battler and the races he's won haven't been egg and spoon affairs.I'm on at double figures,wouldn't be a backer at 5's but wouldn't be a layer either.Best novice form I have seen by far.They think he will improve for better ground and at the moment he is the most likely winner and his odds reflect that.If/when he wins the Deloitte it'll be rediculously short.
 
I was looking at the wrong one in the parade ring at Leop (sizing Rio) and thought to myself 'Harringtons done it again' as she tends to get to the bottom of some of them. He was light. I realised my mistake when jezki caught the eye. She won't get to the bottom of him.
If anything , the better ground will improve him.Full bro Jenari was a Grade 2 winner on gd over 2m4f. Half bro Jered was a Grade 1 winner on gd over 2m.
I suspect he'll go off co favourite at 7s on the day. There's always the possibility there will be a better one in there but I think it will take a superstar to beat him.
He never came off the bridle against good horses on bad ground.
Irish runners have won 7 of these since 2000 (no race 2001) I can remember some years the race has been dominated by Irish runners so the Irish novice form aspect of it shouldn't be an issue. Power riding wouldn't worry me either. If he turns up healthy I won't be looking anywhere else.
 
I have never been one to be taken in by these brilliant novice hurdlers. None of the horses above have ever been backed by me (other than Cue Card this season).

However, I would say that Jezki is the first "talking horse" that has really excited me in years.
 
A "talking horse" that has one 6 races including 2 Grade 1s and a Grade 3 but I know what you mean :D
Tough to be a NH trainer. If he doesn't win at Cheltenham he will be regarded as an under achiever.
 
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Anyone know much bout the owner? As in, if JP opened the chequebook would he be willing to listen?

Granted JP has a string of decent novices, but seems like JP move to try snap him up.
 
hezz said:
I wish followers of Jezki the best, he looks a top horse with a bright future, no doubt. But as Tanlic pointed out so did Dunguib. So did Cousin Vinny, so did Cue Card. We've been here before, in fact we're here every year. I wouldnt lay the horse but I definitely wouldnt be backing it at 5/1 at this stage. Supreme winners tend to be unexposed types with scope for improvement and not horses with a string of 1's beside their name.
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different type of horse though Jezki has won grp 1 hurdle races at 2 miles on what probably is not his favorite ground and the last one was run in a decent time whereas the three you mention were grade 1 bumper winners that had won soft hurdle races and were always likely to be better over 20 furlongs especially if the ground was good or g/s
 
hezz said:
Anyone know much bout the owner? As in, if JP opened the chequebook would he be willing to listen?

Granted JP has a string of decent novices, but seems like JP move to try snap him up.
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From Clonsilla and horse carries initials of his 2 daughters

Whether that means he will or won't sell, I do not know
 
Melodic rendezvous shorter for the Supreme than the Neptune,looks more a Neptune horse for me.They(c4) seemed to big up the result of the Tolworth yesterday,the Irish Novice form looks light years better......
 
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