Obama out?

so the other houses arent elected then? they are not electing a president to be a dictator ffs
 
Dictatorship? What are you on about. Is every Tory or Labour election winning party who wins by clear majority a dictatorship. By your rationale they are.
 
312-317. Florida being in the balance must be giving the traders some headache as to how to pitch the line.
 
Virginia and Florida just extended opening hours of the polls due to overwhelming voter turnout. Fed law says that if you're stood in line at the close of polls you must be allowed to vote. Virginia is not longer reporting early results in case it would influence voters in the polls.
 
It's a question of how far for Obama.

I would be very surprised if he lost either Florida (most of the remaining votes are in Miami-Dade - which is tilting even more heavily towards Obama this year) or Ohio, where Obama is performing well in south-central which bodes very well.

The coup de grace would be a North Carolina victory. Certainly not impossible by any means as it stands.
 
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Maybe I should clarify my stance a little bit.

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Person who went weak-kneed when Obama did his stuff in Ireland: Check

As such, I would be absolutely gagging to proclaim Obama as the real deal. I just don't see anything that he has done to mark him as anything other than an okay president.

And the major proviso I have over-riding this is that I am not an expert on US politics. So I could be talking through my hoop.
 
Thats interesting, Bar.

I class myself as an independant minded U.K voter, who would (in theory) vote for any party I deemed as on-point and progressive at the time.

When the Cameron/Clegg/Milliband era is over and U.K politics reshapes itself properly I will take a fresh look at where I stand.

I am pleased the Amercians are looking at the cannabis issue in America, and hope the U.K follows suit.

I will read any newspaper to get a story I find interesting.

I'm more behind Obama now than I've ever been before, I hope it works out for him. He has to show he has balls now though, and do whatever it takes to get the job done imo.

For example, if that means telling Russia and China where to go, or change his stance on Iran due to a more immediate threat, (just using an example here), then I'd like to see that. Also, representing 'regular folks' as we keep being told he does, won't help in January when the fiscal cliff comes, hence he must be prepared to potentially upset his own supporters and contingent to steer the right course. The stakes are high, but he can turn things around.

Ditto, now its time for the tough and right decisions to be made, and less of trying to be popular for being-populars' sake. I love the speeches but there's only so many hearts and minds the guy will ever win domestically, and actions speak louder than words as they say.

The biggest issue he faces is not what people think of him as a leader now, but how he'll deliver on the economy. He can try and take people with him intellectually, but that will all run out without people seeing real progress.
 
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Bar the Bull said:
Maybe I should clarify my stance a little bit.

Guardian reader: Check
Liberal: Check
Irish: Check
Person who went weak-kneed when Obama did his stuff in Ireland: Check

As such, I would be absolutely gagging to proclaim Obama as the real deal. I just don't see anything that he has done to mark him as anything other than an okay president.

And the major proviso I have over-riding this is that I am not an expert on US politics. So I could be talking through my hoop.
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As imperfect as it is, getting the Affordable Care Act through the house, senate *and* Supreme Court and being able to stick around long enough to protect it and see it (almost) fully implemented is a greater legislative achievement than anything Clinton managed.

You mentioned that you felt he "had a dream start and blew it". He didn't blow it - he spent it all on the ACA.
 
Pleased to see Obama winning for the simple reason that it proves clivex knows as little about how US politicians are viewed by the US public as I do and is actually just full of hot air!
 
Simmo. You can bait away but getting within 1.4 per cent of obama after the 47 speech, the religion and the shmbles of the GOP is not exactly a bad result and hardly a triumph for lightweight. When you think of some past troucings. Mondale etc
 
The Republicans are fucked unless they can start appealing to non-whites. For an incumbent Democrat to be re-elected with the economy in such a mess is unheard of. Within my lifetime the non-white population in that country will go over 50%.
 
I find the sneering at romeny amomgst the smug europeans pathetic frnakly.
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I don't think it's anything to do with smugness. According to the Irish Times 79% of Irish voters would have favoured Obama if given the chance, and 5% would have gone with Romney. That's probably an even greater level of support than St JFK himself would have got, and Obama would have strong majority support throughout all of western Europe, and probably central and eastern Europe too.

Why such a strong preference for one candidate? Because European voters have significantly different values to many Americans on foreign policy, social protection, financial regulation, climate change. People might have seized on some of Romney's gaffes but opposition to him was based on real issues.
 
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