DO, no I don't want the science bit. I can pull that up on Google any time I want it. I'm asking you, as a committed Catholic, to find me the bit in the Bible where Christ says something about not killing unborn - or even born - children. Not Moses, and the 10 Commandments (did you know there were originally 15, but he tripped down the Mount and we'll never know what the other 5 were, although I heard one was about backing odds-on favourites in handicaps of less than 10). I'm asking you for something specifically from Christ, because you say it is 'the word of God' regarding abortion. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Christ told his followers there was no way they were going to get to God, unless it was through Him. In other words, through belief in Him as the son of God. Hence the prayers and hymns 'THROUGH Jesus Christ Our Lord, Amen'. You can ask God all you want and think you've heard from Him, but if it ain't through Jesus, your pleas are going nowhere. So... since the Catholic Church employs (not solely, but particularly) the phrase, 'through Jesus Christ', then surely Christ has revealed the word of His Father, and the word of His Father must be known - it follows - to all believers? So you simply must know what God imparted to Christ, and THROUGH Christ to us, about the nuances of killing.
How then does one then reconcile the word of God with warriors, inquisitors, executioners, and assassins working on behalf of the Holy Roman Church - all of whom are sent to kill, on either an individual or mass scale? I know there's a good deal of smiting in the Old Testament - hardly a passage passes without someone being smote by some enraged or vengeful person. However, moving on, where's not Moses's Top Ten, but Christ's word? It's a CHRISTian religion, it has to move in accord with Christ's teachings.
There are too many contradictions for me to think that some confusion between the word of God, His Word through Christ the Lord, and the rather convenient word of Man has not been occurring down the eons.
If Christ, for whom I bear the utmost respect, taught that getting shot of your unwanted babies (in any form) was wrong, then at what point in the Bible do we find God instructing Him thus, that He may instruct us?
Another point, one you raised yourself. You questioned PDJ's morals in having a baby of unwed parents. How, then, do you reconcile the Church's stance on bringing many more babies into the world to unwed mothers, without even the benefit of a nominal partner, as a result of rape or incest? If PDJ and the millions of other unmarried men and women round the world who've borne children in love together can be viewed as 'immoral' by the Church, it cannot exempt the mothers it urges to bear children of rape and incest from being anything other than 'immoral', too. The women certainly don't love their rapists. Are the babies of such base biology immoral? People won't use the term '######' any more in its true sense, but let's stop being coy and let's call them all ######. So, is the ###### baby due to the victim of rape (or rapes) or incest more 'morally' brought into the world as a result of the accident of its biology, and the baby born to PDJ and Lyndy less 'moral' because her parents failed to wed prior to her conception? How do you, having raised the issue of birth and morality, square these issues in concert with your religion? And how can your religion square them? Your Church is positively reinforcing immorality (by its own stance on the immorality of unwed motherhood) by demanding the continuing pregnancies of women or girls - who in no way imagined they'd be raped, let alone fall pregnant - being made to bear the ###### fruit of unlawful, forcible congress.
PS: unfortunately, due to the censor on this board, the correct word b-a-s-t-a-r-d has been replaced with hash signs. Such a shame that normal discussion, using perfectly proper words, gets the Bowdler treatment. So coy and twee!
A touch of the pot calling the kettle black here, methinks ....
