Desert Orchid
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As I recall, the expert sectionalist view is that Hughes got the sections bang on last year; that he ran almost identically to his Craven performance.
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As I recall, the expert sectionalist view is that Hughes got the sections bang on last year; that he ran almost identically to his Craven performance.
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Cheers, dj.
Sheikh
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in ground that was much softer than the craven.l don't think he has judged the pace well from the front at newmarket
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The SJP as it turns out, though the Jersey would be more his trip. Wears a tongue-tie, as the "cough" he developed has now become a displaced palate.
You just couldn't make it up, could you? .
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Off to the SJP then with a wind problem - ready made excuse if he gets beat anyway.
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Surprised people find it so hard to believe that the Guineas wasn't Toronado's true running. Whether it was a cough, breathing problem, or even less plausibly, a lack of stamina, the way he had the rest of the field bar the winner flat to to the boards 2f out before falling into a hole is a sure sign to me he'll better that form somewhere down the line, most probably in the St James's Palace imo.
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Not writing him off and certainly doubt that it was his true running but always sceptical about impressive victories in small field trial races like the Craven was so will be interesting to see how he gets on at Royal Ascot, no doubt something will come up though if he is beaten again.
Martin
Martin
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I don't write him off. Just as a Derby horse.
DJ
There's a difference between writing a horse off, and accepting what is staring you in the face - that Toronado lacks the stamina for a well-run mile at the very top level. It's not as though his previous form doesn't entirely support that view, either.
In a steadily run Craven, he had the race won a furlong down, indicating that speed - rather than stamina - was likely to be his forte, and he was all-out to win the Champagne (again, at no great pace) off a soft lead gifted to him by his early speed. Likewise his Ascot listed win was won off an early crawl, and on his Newbury debut (though more truly run) he beat subsequent handicappers.
His stable is well known as buying horses for speed and precocity, and Toronado is just the latest to join a long list of their 'milers' that didn't quite see the distance out.
He's Foret bound, whether his stable admits it, or not.
There's a difference between writing a horse off, and accepting what is staring you in the face - that Toronado lacks the stamina for a well-run mile at the very top level. It's not as though his previous form doesn't entirely support that view, either.
In a steadily run Craven, he had the race won a furlong down, indicating that speed - rather than stamina - was likely to be his forte, and he was all-out to win the Champagne (again, at no great pace) off a soft lead gifted to him by his early speed. Likewise his Ascot listed win was won off an early crawl, and on his Newbury debut (though more truly run) he beat subsequent handicappers.
His stable is well known as buying horses for speed and precocity, and Toronado is just the latest to join a long list of their 'milers' that didn't quite see the distance out.
He's Foret bound, whether his stable admits it, or not.