Road To The Foxhunters

Just watched it again on C4+1.

I agree the horse tried to follow the rail round the bend.

Jockey was brilliant up to that point and hopefully won't blame herself for it. A pro wouldn't have stayed up.
 
While we can all feel for her in her over-excitement she ran him into the elbow of the rail, which is why the horse jinked so badly. She took evasive action all too late and was looking one way while falling off the other. It was jockey error rather than being unlucky, which of course is common in amateur races.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Just watched it again on C4+1.

I agree the horse tried to follow the rail round the bend.

Jockey was brilliant up to that point and hopefully won't blame herself for it. A pro wouldn't have stayed up.
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Sorry to disagree with you again, but any pro that did that should be sacked. Jane did very well up to that point but threw it away.
 
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Really feel for her as she gave the horse a brilliant ride up till then and shes only 18. It looked like the tape had got wet and wasn't very effective in indicating to the horse that he needed to go straight and not round again. Perhaps they ought to re-look at it for future years.

Completely disagree with you Steve - it wasn't her fault at all.
 
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jinnyj said:
Really feel for her as she gave the horse a brilliant ride up till then and shes only 18. It looked like the tape had got wet and wasn't very effective in indicating to the horse that he needed to go straight and not round again. Perhaps they ought to re-look at it for future years.

Completely disagree with you Steve - it wasn't her fault at all.
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I agree with you that she did very well up to that point. I can't have it that she was blameless in falling off though, she was all over the place.
 
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Watch it again on the head on which I've just done - I defy anyone to have sat that!

We're in need of a pilot for our pointer next time out as ours is out with a fractured ankle - fancy a spin round?
 
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SteveM said:
I agree with you that she did very well up to that point. I can't have it that she was blameless in falling off though, she was all over the place.
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I've got to agree. She had her head down and wasn't looking where she was going when she hit the horse after the last with her right hand or she'd have changed whip hands. But then she is an amateur and it was an amateur's mistake and you have to feel for her
 
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I suspect the woman the other side of that tape may have been Jane Mangan's Mother and I'm just wondering if that confused the horse.
 
The replay isn't up on RUK at the moment but I thought she did switch the whip to her left hand after she came over the fence which was the correct thing to do.
 
SteveM said:
While we can all feel for her in her over-excitement she ran him into the elbow of the rail, which is why the horse jinked so badly. She took evasive action all too late and was looking one way while falling off the other. It was jockey error rather than being unlucky, which of course is common in amateur races.
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Wrong for me. And blaming her over-excitement ridiculous.
 
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Don't think many would've sat that, pro or amateur. I know from experience that when horses change direction quickly you normally end up on the floor, especially when riding short.
 
Can't attach any blame to the jockey regarding Oscar Delta. Jane Mangan is one of the best around and easily good enough to turn pro should she want to - there's a reason that top trainers/owners like Elliott and Gigginstown use her on a regular basis and she's outridden the current Irish Champion Jockey at least twice in a finish this season when on supposed inferior horses. The girl is absolute mustard and hopefully this doesn't get her down too much.

You should take your boy over to Tattersalls Farm in May Jinny for the Open Banks Race there with Emma up. Discounted ferry travel too ;-)

Martin
 
Jane is a superb amateur but in my honest opinion Steve is correct -jockey error-it happens-I'm sure she will move on and forget about it.
 
I am afraid I agree it was jockey error she did realise it and try to correct it but too late . The jockey on Salsify was very lucky - gave him far too much to do on ground he doesn't like and he had nothing much left .

Tough on her as she had ridden sweeney to sleep up till then.
 
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SteveM said:
I agree with you that she did very well up to that point. I can't have it that she was blameless in falling off though, she was all over the place.
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Wouldn't be like Steve to be a prick? You,re not fit to lace Jane's boots mate
 
jinnyj said:
Watch it again on the head on which I've just done - I defy anyone to have sat that!

We're in need of a pilot for our pointer next time out as ours is out with a fractured ankle - fancy a spin round?
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We’ll have to agree to differ Jinny... it's the head on where you see it the most clearly. She indeed fell off because the horse jinked, but it wouldn’t have had to jink if Jane had kept him away from the elbow of the rail. All of the others managed it.
 
trefflich said:
Wouldn't be like Steve to be a prick? You,re not fit to lace Jane's boots mate
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That's as may be treff... It doesn't make Jane's control of her mount any better. She wasn't unlucky, she made a mistake. I don't propose shooting her for it, but let's be clear it was her mistake and no one else.
 
If every other jockey switch their hands and take the whip into the left hand after the last to make sure that the horse avoids going out on another circuit, you would have a point.

However, this never happens. Jockeys (pro and amateur) ride with their whip on their right (in this case) and use the rail to straighten their horse. This is what all jockeys do and Jane Mangan shouldnt be criticised for assuming that her horse would use the rail to keep straight. It is a 1 in 10,000 shot that the horse doesnt use the rail to keep striaght but keeps going through it. It was unlucky.

To say that riding to the rail was due to over-excitement is the hack criticism - of amateurs (and women jockeys) that is enivitably going to come. Its the lack of hack criticisms like this that usually separate this place from other forums.
 
Also Salisfy doesn't fully stay. Didn't last year when he won. Was ridden in the exact same manner and got through the field earlier this year than last year. But don't let that stop the hacks.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Definitely switched it to her left hand just after jumping the fence.
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Are you and Jinny kidding?

As I said she smacked the horse with her right hand after she jumped the last driving him towards the hazard because she wasn't looking where she was going.....She then thought "oh Fook me" and in a desperate last attempt changed whip hands just as she hit the rails........that was two mistakes not one. If she hadn't tried to change whip hands and and used her hands instead of thinking "I gotta use the whip" the horse may well have reacted in time and missed the hazard.......to say no one could have avoided what happened is complete bullshit she messed up and that's that. IMO
 
Jockey uses whip in final furlong of championship race shocker. Horses do not generally go though the rails. Watching the morning line here and every jockey uses their whip in the same way that Jane Mangan did. Even those further clear.
 
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Also Salisfy doesn't fully stay. Didn't last year when he won. Was ridden in the exact same manner and got through the field earlier this year than last year. But don't let that stop the hacks.
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Salsify seemed to stay 3m 4f at Stratford without much trouble.
 
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