Colin Phillips
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Robot Boy
- Thread starter EC1
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CPGagie
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It's only opinions on a horse, why all the negativity? Anyway....
That's what I originally said, DO. The ground had been unevenly watered at Newcastle. Looking at the draws and the respective finishing orders, plus them all opting to race up the middle of the course throughout the afternoon.
RB had the best draw, and faster ground from the start. The two that shot off in front used their energy early cutting through the slower ground from their poor draw.
I still think RB is 105, but needs things to go sweetly and have conditions to suit. That's always going to be a problem with 5F HCP's though and why I rarely touch them. No optimum/clear run or poor draw, usually means no win.
EC, Barrons Ascot stats are slightly better than what flat stats were saying (though still not that good). He's 3-78 if you toss out 2yo's, and 3-70 if restricted to HCP's.
However, if you restrict it to runners under 10/1 in 3yo+ HCP's, he's almost as good as Stoute is there (though Stoute does butcher him on the place aspect).
I'm also starting to think that these 5F fast ground races might not be ideal for him. He could have improved since being gelded, it may not be the switch to 5F's that's done it. If that is the case, then it's possible (and this is contrary to most views), that a hold up ride over 6F with plenty of cut might be best.
It's not like the Newcastle or Musselburgh races have worked out well. He could have just used his stamina to grind some poorly HCPed horses into submission. His final race last year worked out well and he hadn't been gelded then. This year, far too hard from the front over 6 at Windsor (on fast ground), so couldn't do it over 6 from the front, but that race worked out well, and he did well to finish where he did considering, especially as it was his seasonal debut.
Take a look anyway, and see if you can see where I'm coming from. If I'm correct, we probably haven't seen anything yet.
That's what I originally said, DO. The ground had been unevenly watered at Newcastle. Looking at the draws and the respective finishing orders, plus them all opting to race up the middle of the course throughout the afternoon.
RB had the best draw, and faster ground from the start. The two that shot off in front used their energy early cutting through the slower ground from their poor draw.
I still think RB is 105, but needs things to go sweetly and have conditions to suit. That's always going to be a problem with 5F HCP's though and why I rarely touch them. No optimum/clear run or poor draw, usually means no win.
EC, Barrons Ascot stats are slightly better than what flat stats were saying (though still not that good). He's 3-78 if you toss out 2yo's, and 3-70 if restricted to HCP's.
However, if you restrict it to runners under 10/1 in 3yo+ HCP's, he's almost as good as Stoute is there (though Stoute does butcher him on the place aspect).
I'm also starting to think that these 5F fast ground races might not be ideal for him. He could have improved since being gelded, it may not be the switch to 5F's that's done it. If that is the case, then it's possible (and this is contrary to most views), that a hold up ride over 6F with plenty of cut might be best.
It's not like the Newcastle or Musselburgh races have worked out well. He could have just used his stamina to grind some poorly HCPed horses into submission. His final race last year worked out well and he hadn't been gelded then. This year, far too hard from the front over 6 at Windsor (on fast ground), so couldn't do it over 6 from the front, but that race worked out well, and he did well to finish where he did considering, especially as it was his seasonal debut.
Take a look anyway, and see if you can see where I'm coming from. If I'm correct, we probably haven't seen anything yet.
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The horse has had just 7 entries since his Newcastle run: 4 over stiff tracks, 2 over extended 5f and 1 over a flat 5f (the Scarborough Stakes, which looks more and more like insurance against the ground going against him in the Portland).
My sole point about this is - and has been since my very first post on the thread - that the horse needs a stern test at 5f to be seen at his best. EC has chosen to disagree with that opinion (vehemently, as he does with the majority of mine) but the trainer's placing of the horse suggests his opinion is much along the same lines - even to running the horse in the race I noted as his best chance some weeks ago.
Might seem a storm in a teacup to some, but understanding a horse's requisites is (to me) is a vital part figuring how a horse is placed, and of predicting its future chances. I haven't done too badly with the approach in the past, and make no apologies for sticking with it now. or in the future.
Fwiw, I believe Robot Boy will improve for the extended test of the Portland, whether he'll win or not is a moot point, but - given a fair wind - should certainly post a career best, thus far.
I'm as sickened as everybody else by the way this thread's turned out, I'll leave it to others to accord blame where they see fit, but I'm now done with this discussion.
My sole point about this is - and has been since my very first post on the thread - that the horse needs a stern test at 5f to be seen at his best. EC has chosen to disagree with that opinion (vehemently, as he does with the majority of mine) but the trainer's placing of the horse suggests his opinion is much along the same lines - even to running the horse in the race I noted as his best chance some weeks ago.
Might seem a storm in a teacup to some, but understanding a horse's requisites is (to me) is a vital part figuring how a horse is placed, and of predicting its future chances. I haven't done too badly with the approach in the past, and make no apologies for sticking with it now. or in the future.
Fwiw, I believe Robot Boy will improve for the extended test of the Portland, whether he'll win or not is a moot point, but - given a fair wind - should certainly post a career best, thus far.
I'm as sickened as everybody else by the way this thread's turned out, I'll leave it to others to accord blame where they see fit, but I'm now done with this discussion.
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
B52 Runs today and is the same price for this as he would have been in the Portland 12/1 with Betfair..........after what I said I gotta back him ew..get ready with the rotten eggs and tomatoes but no stones please
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
Well that was a good boost for Robot Boy's form B52 finished stone last 
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
worth a bet if only 4 run :lol:
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CPGagie
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I'll be having a flutter, if there is cut.
EC1
On a break
Well that was a good boost for Robot Boy's form B52 finished stone last
could you explain the logic behind that?
EC1
On a break
you know if you aren't interested in a thread...why do you feel the need to take the pi$$?...is it because you are showing some kind of support for your TRF mate Reet?
if it is...then its a bit sad..and also verges on bullying..also a bit sad
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SlimChance
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archie
Senior Jockey
Interesting looking through the results of last year's Tattersalls Autumn Horses In Training sale.
Robot Boy 67k
G Force 25k
Out Do 18k
Robot Boy 67k
G Force 25k
Out Do 18k
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
Don't be so stupid EC...........you are one serious dude......Dude!!!!
I enjoy a bit of crack and if you can't tell the difference between someone having a laugh and someone deliberately extracting the urine that's sad and you need to lighten up or are you just a carnaptious SOB?
As far as Reet goes...Yes we've posted on the same forum and agreed on most things. As far as I can remember never a cross word has passed between us. In fact I can't remember him having any serious disputes on TRF at anytime.
BUT would I take his side an an argument against you because of our relationship..........No way in this world.
If I got involved I would voice my opinion and say how I see it and couldn't give 2 hoots who the people are.
So don't worry, if I was having a go at you you wouldn't have to ask if I was takinthepiss you'd know I was. Smoke would be coming out your ears and your brain was hurting wondering what to say next.
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
As far as Robot Boy goes I wouldn't have commented if I wasn't interested,
The horse is very consistent but as said before he ran at the Curragh he's on the wrong side of 100 and he finished 4/9 which is just about where he's finished ever since he was put up by the handicapper.
He's highly unlikely to suddenly improve without some time off and I would be awful tempted to rough him off now and come back next season.
The horse is very consistent but as said before he ran at the Curragh he's on the wrong side of 100 and he finished 4/9 which is just about where he's finished ever since he was put up by the handicapper.
He's highly unlikely to suddenly improve without some time off and I would be awful tempted to rough him off now and come back next season.
EC1
On a break
Tanlic..I would like to apologise..i have unfairly judged your postings.
Re this thread.....i posted it as a bit of a long shot for one race....thought some might have had some fun from it..maybe a decent drag....apart from York where it lost 4 lengths at start and was beaten less.. it hasn't run under the conditions of a Nunthorpe...ie flat track speed test..the Curragh isn't that..but has run creditably
why it was constantly highlighted under unfavourable conditions is beyond me...i'll never post another thread like this...also it doesn't encourage people who read but don't post much to stick their head above the parapet..its a very sad thread imo
and is best left to sink to where it belongs
Re this thread.....i posted it as a bit of a long shot for one race....thought some might have had some fun from it..maybe a decent drag....apart from York where it lost 4 lengths at start and was beaten less.. it hasn't run under the conditions of a Nunthorpe...ie flat track speed test..the Curragh isn't that..but has run creditably
why it was constantly highlighted under unfavourable conditions is beyond me...i'll never post another thread like this...also it doesn't encourage people who read but don't post much to stick their head above the parapet..its a very sad thread imo
and is best left to sink to where it belongs
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
Cheers EC no problem........The great thing about horses like Robot Boy is in the main they run on merit. Usually bookies will take a bit of a chance with his type but they seem terrified to lay him at decent odds
His winning prices so far of 7/4, 6/4. 11/4 and 0/30 certainly wouldn't inspire me to follow him over a cliff.....He went from 84 to 90 in 2013 then dropped back to 87 before he won at Musselburgh.........I have no idea what the handicapper will do but the first 3 at the Curragh were rated 113,109,110 and he's just beaten for 3rd a neck behind a 109 horse and a 108 rated horse back in 5th 1/2 length away off levels.
If he puts him up a few pounds for that run it's going to be hard to fancy him.
However he improved big time from 3 to 4 so hopefully he'll show similar improvement between now and next season and be back for races like the Nunthorpe.
His winning prices so far of 7/4, 6/4. 11/4 and 0/30 certainly wouldn't inspire me to follow him over a cliff.....He went from 84 to 90 in 2013 then dropped back to 87 before he won at Musselburgh.........I have no idea what the handicapper will do but the first 3 at the Curragh were rated 113,109,110 and he's just beaten for 3rd a neck behind a 109 horse and a 108 rated horse back in 5th 1/2 length away off levels.
If he puts him up a few pounds for that run it's going to be hard to fancy him.
However he improved big time from 3 to 4 so hopefully he'll show similar improvement between now and next season and be back for races like the Nunthorpe.
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Euronymous
Senior Jockey
Running tomorrow at Musselburgh
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
6 6 6 6 6 6 6 furlongs ffs
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
In the Portland and has gone down 3lbs since his last start. Might be interesting at 33s
Robot Boy entered in the big sprint at Musselburgh this Saturday.
He is a Course & Distance winner who will be 8 pounds better off... (11 pound if you include a 3 pound claimer) with Red Baron, who is a horse he beat a while back. Red Baron is worth his place at the head of the betting as he is in decent form, but don't rule out Robot Boy on his first start this season. The trainer comments nearer the time and some market support may explain a bit more about his chance on the day.
He is a Course & Distance winner who will be 8 pounds better off... (11 pound if you include a 3 pound claimer) with Red Baron, who is a horse he beat a while back. Red Baron is worth his place at the head of the betting as he is in decent form, but don't rule out Robot Boy on his first start this season. The trainer comments nearer the time and some market support may explain a bit more about his chance on the day.
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