Sandown park Sat April 23rd 2016

Well it robbed the race of some interest anyway. Vaniteux didn't get home so a loser for me anyway.

I'm sure WPM would have run the mare if the title was still up for grabs
 
WPM was handed a £1,000 fine by the stewards at Sandown for showing "a wilful disregard for the interests of racegoers and punters" over the late withdrawal of Vroum Vroum Mag.
 
very good days racing. agree with everything WPM has said about VVM & not for the first time. i have no issue with it and my ptit zig bet got a nice 55p rule 4!
 
Ground may be a little quick for UDS.
He is one gutsy horse to come back and clinch second after that mistake as he showed at Christmas when passing everything after falling.
Not to be as good as Sprinter is no crime; otherwise lots of horses are guilty of it.
 
Was there today and it's fast becoming my favourite days racing. Even more than Cheltenham or kgv. There is something special about sandown Saturdays and this tops even the tingle creek day. The atmosphere was superb .

making it all jumps was the right move.
 
It's a day with an incredible history -there is the famous Whitbread won by Special Cargo and I can never forget Singspiel/Pilsudski in the Gordon Richards-what really impressive was what they won subsequently and how much they won subsequently.
I thought today was a great days racing -something for everyone -if I was going to England for a day's racing this would be the day.It is a proper day to finish off the jumps season.
 
It was a great race but the day must belong to Sprinter Sacre in what might well be one of the best performances of his life.

No excuses for age past ailments it might well have been.....All things considered it most certainly was.

To put it into perspective he clocked a time compared to standard time 21 seconds faster than Menorah did the equivalent of over 60 lengths over 2 miles.

The race of the century would be Sprinter Sacre V Douvan but the way things are heading some might think that won't happen

No doubt they have been toying with stepping Douvan up in trip and if Vautour wins the Irish Champion Chase impressively next week it becomes more likely.

What would be tougher? Taking on Sprinter Sacre or taking on Cue card at Kempton........I'd go to Kempton after yesterday.


QMCC Sprinter Sacre 5/1 King George Douvan 6/1 for a few bob.
 
I think withdrawing VVM was very unsporting. Fair enough they only brought her over for the title, and that had gone, but once you're declared to run you're supposed to run. That's the point of declarations.

Something he said afterwards rankled with me: "I brought a big team of horses over that I didn't have to, and I don't think the stewards took that into account". So we are supposed to be so pathetically grateful that he's brought some horses to Sandown that we let him break the rules? He's brought the horses here for his own reasons and once they're here they can abide by the same rules as everyone else. He then went on to say that they withdrew her to go for a higher value race in Punchestown and they were only in this "race of much less value" because of the title. Tough titty Willie.

I've always been a Mullins fan but he went down a notch in my estimation yesterday.
 
Mullins should have been fined bigger for yesterdays withdrawls

It is ironic that almost winning the trainers title and I think they have had a bad sesason, considering the amunition they have

Un Des Sceaux has been campaigned awfully last 3 seasons and at the moment it looks a stable for the service of Ruby Walsh
 
BennyB said:
I think withdrawing VVM was very unsporting. Fair enough they only brought her over for the title, and that had gone, but once you're declared to run you're supposed to run. That's the point of declarations.

Something he said afterwards rankled with me: "I brought a big team of horses over that I didn't have to, and I don't think the stewards took that into account". So we are supposed to be so pathetically grateful that he's brought some horses to Sandown that we let him break the rules? He's brought the horses here for his own reasons and once they're here they can abide by the same rules as everyone else. He then went on to say that they withdrew her to go for a higher value race in Punchestown and they were only in this "race of much less value" because of the title. Tough titty Willie.

I've always been a Mullins fan but he went down a notch in my estimation yesterday.
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perfectly put.
 
As punters we are supposed to factor these things into the price when backing horses early doors.

I don't know how many times I pointed out that UDS might be pulled out if the chance of the title had gone by close of business had gone by Friday.

I never thought about it as I am not that smart but why would that not apply to VVM especially with Thistlecrack having been scratched.

The only reason Mullins ran UDS was in the hope he could beat Sprinter Sacre and win him the title. If that had not been the case he would have never left Ireland

tbh anyone who backed VVM ante post before knowing where they stood on Friday should have factored the in possibility the horse might not run......... so one to blame but themselves.

Anyone who backed the horse otherwise got teir money back so who cares.......wanna see her run watch Punchy
 
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Why is it assumed everything is about betting? I would say just stick to aw handicaps if that's all it's about. It's boring

This is rubbish. I wanted to see her run at sandown. Probably the second most significant horse on the card. Of course many felt a bit pissed off
 
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Why is it assumed everything is about betting? I would say just stick to aw handicaps if that's all it's about. It's boring

This is rubbish. I wanted to see her run at sandown. Probably the second most significant horse on the card. Of course many felt a bit pissed off
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Precisely.

Whatever the betting implications, the decision took no account whatsoever of racegoers.
 
Oh come on Vroum Vroum Mag is no star attraction. You'd be lucky if 20 people went there to see her specifically.

The main attractions were The title fight Sprinter Sacre and the Whitbread 365 in that order.

Ricci made a sensible business decision.... get used to it.
 
Not disputing it was a sensible business decision. The point is that it wilfully disregarded the interests of punters and racegoers. If I back a horse I want to see it run and hopefully win. A NR and money back is always a bit of a disappointment (not that I backed VVM)


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Sensible business decision?

a multi millionaire worth something like £200m needs a few grand does he? i would be absolutely convinced that he would be so dismally small minded and tight fisted to be motivated by that. What's the point of having millions if you are going to fret over a few quid?

I suspect only those without a few quid would assume that he is of that dismal mindset and I am pretty sure he isn't.

no one is sayng that people went just to see vvm but I will say that the race interested me more than the b365 and who are you to say otherwise???

it was a wonderful card but a highly intruiging race had the stuffing knocked out of it with 15 mins to go.
 
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Not disputing it was a sensible business decision. The point is that it wilfully disregarded the interests of punters and racegoers. If I back a horse I want to see it run and hopefully win. A NR and money back is always a bit of a disappointment (not that I backed VVM)


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A "sensible business decision" would be not to get involved in ownership in the first place and stuff the money somewhere else
 
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