The Road To The 2013 Grand National

Diamond Geezer

Diamond Geezer

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Entries close today and weights announced on Feb 14th, no doubt many won't be running now until after then to protect their mark. One of the conditions is a horse must finish in the first three in a chase so Imperial Commander and Hunt Ball achieved that on Saturday and it sounds as if NTD is seriously thinking of running the Commander. Also Little Josh who has won a race over those fences fell on Saturday so will be looking to put that right pretty soon I imagine.

Any fancies early doors ?

http://www.oddschecker.com/grand-national-betting-odds/winner
 
Prince De Beauchene 16/1 - I see him going off single figure fav if he gets there

Always Waining 66/1 - backed him for the last 2 Nationals only for him to be pulled out and win the consolation race - maybe this year?
 
Diamond Geezer, is the link to the betting you have provided based on the entries? You say there has been an entry system today, I'm a bit confused.

I've not given up on Alfie Spinner who's not listed in the betting, and view him as a possible rookie dark horse if he were to be entered and run. I don't mind following him off a cliff until end of the season, he's entered in both the National Trials at Ffos Las and Haydock.
 
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swedish chef said:
Prince De Beauchene 16/1 - I see him going off single figure fav if he gets there

Always Waining 66/1 - backed him for the last 2 Nationals only for him to be pulled out and win the consolation race - maybe this year?
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Why should Ruby opt for PDB rather than On His Own?
 
Marble said:
Diamond Geezer, is the link to the betting you have provided based on the entries? You say there has been an entry system today, I'm a bit confused.

I've not given up on Alfie Spinner who's not listed in the betting, and view him as a possible rookie dark horse if he were to be entered and run. I don't mind following him off a cliff until end of the season, he's entered in both the National Trials at Ffos Las and Haydock.
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No, these were prices before entries closed
 
84 entries apparently, 2 more than last year

Weights will be announced on February 12th, first scratchings' deadline February 26, second scratchings' deadline March 19. Five-day confirmation stage April 1, final declaration stage 10.00am, April 4.
 
chroniclandlord said:
The full list of entries is on the Irish Field site.
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Thanks mate



THE 2013 JOHN SMITH'S GRAND NATIONAL

Class 1, Grade 3, £975,000. Aintree, Saturday, April 6th. 4m. 3f 110yds.

Form Horse Age Owner Trainer

P3-1120 ACROSS THE BAY (IRE) 9 Scotch Piper Syndicate Donald McCain

P12/123- ALBERTAS RUN (IRE) 12 Trevor Hemmings Jonjo O'Neill

0513-30 ALFIE SHERRIN 10 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

044001- ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 12 Mr & Mrs Peter James Douglas Peter Bowen

3-614U4 ANY CURRENCY (IRE) 10 Cash Is King Martin Keighley

2-U0P45 AURORAS ENCORE (IRE) 11 D Pryde, J Beaumont & D P van der Hoeven Sue Smith

P/5000/P- BACKSTAGE (FR) 11 MPR & Capranny Syndicate Gordon Elliott IRE

121/46-P BALLABRIGGS (IRE) 12 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain

P0F1-12 BALTHAZAR KING (IRE) 9 The Brushmakers Philip Hobbs

2F-63PP BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 10 Noel Glynn Noel Glynn IRE

1/U121/5- BESHABAR (IRE) 11 Middleham Park Racing X & Ann Burrows Tim Vaughan

440/-U31 BIG FELLA THANKS 11 Crossed Fingers Partnership Tom George

051130 BOB LINGO (IRE) 11 J P McManus Tom Mullins IRE

P-06F22 BOSTONS ANGEL (IRE) 9 Elder Scouller Jessica Harrington IRE

5110-P4 CALGARY BAY (IRE) 10 Camilla Radford Mick Channon

234-F21 CALL THE POLICE (IRE) 10 DD Racing Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE

P//1334-2 CAPPA BLEU (IRE) 11 William & Angela Rucker Evan Williams

2B-0U63 CHICAGO GREY (IRE) 10 John Earls Gordon Elliott IRE

40//2161- CLOUDY LANE 13 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain

413-521 COLBERT STATION (IRE) 9 J P McManus Ted Walsh IRE

1P-4PP0 CROSS APPEAL (IRE) 7 John Corr Noel Meade IRE

120-25F FABALU (IRE) 11 Tim Leslie Donald McCain

64-2P15 FORPADYDEPLASTERER (IRE) 11 Goat Racing Syndicate Thomas Cooper IRE

21B-4FP FRISCO DEPOT 9 Waley-Cohen, Burke, Broughton, Broughton Charlie Longsdon

0/44-060 GULLIBLE GORDON (IRE) 10 Yeh Man Partnership Peter Bowen

112P-P0 HARRY THE VIKING 8 Sir Alex Ferguson, Ged Mason, R Wood & P Done Paul Nicholls

51U/1P/-2 IMPERIAL COMMANDER (IRE) 12 Our Friends in the North Nigel Twiston-Davies

30/1122/- JESSIES DREAM (IRE) 10 David Johnson Gordon Elliott IRE

11P3-02 JOIN TOGETHER (IRE) 8 Ian Fogg & Paul Barber Paul Nicholls

20-3523 JONCOL (IRE) 10 Kay Browne Paul Nolan IRE

4-F0211 KATENKO (FR) 7 A Brooks Venetia Williams

01236-1 LAMBRO (IRE) 8 Byerley Thoroughbred Racing Willie Mullins IRE

10511-P LION NA BEARNAI (IRE) 11 The Lock Syndicate Tom Gibney IRE

6P00-1F LITTLE JOSH (IRE) 11 Tony Bloom Nigel Twiston-Davies

011611 LOST GLORY (NZ) 8 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

PP-5220 MAGNANIMITY (IRE) 9 Gigginstown House Stud Dessie Hughes IRE

4P2P-26 MAJOR MALARKEY (IRE) 10 Baker, Dodd & Cooke Nigel Twiston-Davies

030U-06 MATUHI 10 Willsford Racing Incorporated David Pipe

310-3P4 MIDNIGHT CHASE 11 Lady Clarke Neil Mulholland

04-1311 MISTER HYDE (IRE) 8 Bensaranat Club & W McLuskey Jonjo O'Neill

1P-2215 MORTIMERS CROSS 12 John Needham John Needham

0-23602 MR MOONSHINE (IRE) 9 Sue Smith Sue Smith

1133FP MUMBLES HEAD (IRE) 12 Karen Bowen Peter Bowen

1F-3F60 NINETIETH MINUTE (IRE) 10 Dermot Cox Tom Taaffe IRE

33F425 ODYSSEAS (FR) 10 Mrs Jean Porzier Yann Porzier FR

4P1/B1F- ON HIS OWN (IRE) 9 Andrea & Graham Wylie Willie Mullins IRE

F5U-540 ORGANISEDCONFUSION (IRE) 8 Grace Dunlop Arthur Moore IRE

632/4-4U OSCAR TIME (IRE) 12 Robert Waley-Cohen/Sir Martin & Simon Broughton Martin Lynch IRE

05r316 OUTLAW PETE (IRE) 9 J P McManus John Halley IRE

11/P10/-0 PANDORAMA (IRE) 10 R J Bagnall Noel Meade IRE

30/F2PP- PEARLYSTEPS 10 The Glazeley Partnership Henry Daly

0-00016 PENTIFFIC (NZ) 10 P Sinn, P Lawrence, L Sutcliffe, M Smith Venetia Williams

5/230-53 PLANET OF SOUND 11 Charles Lloyd-Baker Philip Hobbs

(0)6U1/-50 POKER DE SIVOLA (FR) 10 David Johnson Ferdy Murphy

351/51-1 PRINCE DE BEAUCHENE (FR) 10 Andrea & Graham Wylie Willie Mullins IRE

1211-5F PROBLEMA TIC (FR) 7 Jo Tracey David Pipe

F1113-0 QUEL ESPRIT (FR) 9 Red Barn Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE

131P/PP- QUINZ (FR) 9 Andrew Cohen Philip Hobbs

4010F-6 QUISCOVER FONTAINE (FR) 9 J P McManus Willie Mullins IRE

13-3361 QUITO DE LA ROQUE (FR) 9 Gigginstown House Stud Colm Murphy IRE

053B0-6 RARE BOB (IRE) 11 D A Syndicate Dessie Hughes IRE

000-1U3 ROBERTO GOLDBACK (IRE) 11 Simon Munir Nicky Henderson

511112 ROI DU MEE (FR) 8 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott IRE

U1F102 ROMANESCO (FR) 8 Annie Flora Joan Bowles Gordon Elliott IRE

4U01-F4 SAINT ARE (FR) 7 David Fox Tim Vaughan

1//11113- SEABASS (IRE) 10 Gunners Syndicate Ted Walsh IRE

0-12136 SHAKERVILZ (FR) 10 Wicklow Bloodstock Limited Willie Mullins IRE

1/21B-00 SOLL 8 Derrick Mossop Jo Hughes

1P/1/401- SUMMERY JUSTICE (IRE) 9 Mrs H Brown Venetia Williams

P012-5P SUNNYHILLBOY (IRE) 10 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

00P-P14 SWING BILL (FR) 12 David Johnson David Pipe

1P1142 TARQUINIUS (FR) 10 Mrs M Furlong Gordon Elliott IRE

50-6440 TARTAK (FR) 10 Power Panels Electrical Systems Ltd Tim Vaughan

0/015U-6 TATENEN (FR) 9 The Stewart Family Richard Rowe

P11-062 TEAFORTHREE (IRE) 9 T437 Rebecca Curtis

5/5/4-14P THE PACKAGE 10 David Johnson David Pipe

04-311P THE RAINBOW HUNTER 9 May We Never Be Found Out Partnership Kim Bailey

541-121 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 12 Andrea & Graham Wylie Paul Nicholls

1-12141 TOFINO BAY (IRE) 10 Gigginstown House Stud Dessie Hughes IRE

51423F- TREACLE (IRE) 12 Bjorn Nielsen Tom Taaffe IRE

FP-023P VIKING BLOND (FR) 8 Caroline Mould Nigel Twiston-Davies

13PF-4P WEIRD AL (IRE) 10 Brannon Dick Holden Donald McCain

4P/33F0- WHAT A FRIEND 10 Ged Mason & Sir Alex Ferguson Paul Nicholls

11F2-11 WYCK HILL (IRE) 9 SAB Partnership David Bridgwater

84 entries

32 Irish-trained

1 French-trained
 
Chris Cook of The Guardian has made a prediction of what the weights would be if allocated today

Following the publishing of the 84 Grand National entrants yesterday, I've had a rough stab at guessing what the weights would be if set now, using Phil Smith's patented formula of compressing the gaps among the topweights. The actual weights will be published on Tuesday 12th Feb.

Bear in mind that some of these are going to run again before the weights are set, which would move them up or down. More importantly, bear in mind that the handicappers will make a rather more professional job of this than I will. In particular, the French horse (Odysseas) and the Irish horses who have not yet run in Britain are tricky to assess but I've formed a quick view of where they might be placed in the handicap.

Do you fancy any of these in particular at these weights? And have I made any obvious howlers?

Colbert Station is the one I'll be looking for first when the real weights are revealed.


11-10
Tidal Bay

11-9
Albertas Run

11-7
Quito De La Roque
Weird Al

11-6
Imperial Commander

11-5
Quel Esprit
What A Friend

11-4
Pandorama

11-3
Katenko
Roberto Goldback

11-2
Calgary Bay
Roi Du Mee

11-1
Big Fella Thanks
Bob Lingo
Joncol
Sea Bass

11-0
Ballabriggs
Call The Police
Midnight Chase
Oscar Time
Prince De Beauchene
Sunnyhillboy

10-13
Jessies Dream
Teaforthree

10-12
Across The Bay
Forpadydeplasterer
Join Together
Planet Of Sound
Tofino Bay

10-11
Beshabar
Little Josh

10-10
Backstage
Lion Na Bearnai
On His Own
Outlaw Pete
Quinz

10-9
Bostons Angel

10-8
Balthazar King
Cappa Bleu
The Package

10-7
Always Waining
Colbert Station
Lambro
Organisedconfusion
Treacle

10-6
Chicago Grey
Tatenen

10-4
Becauseicouldntsee
Lost Glory
Rare Bob
Saint Are

10-3
Magnanimity
Swing Bill
Wyck Hill
Quiscover Fontaine

10-2
Frisco Depot
Harry The Viking
Ninetieth Minute
Problema Tic
The Rainbow Hunter

10-1
Mr Moonshine

10-0
Mister Hyde
Mumbles Head
Pearlysteps

9-13
Auroras Encore

9-12
Alfie Sherrin

9-11
Cross Appeal
Matuhi
Romanesco
Shakervilz
Summery Justice

9-10
Any Currency
Tartak

9-9
Major Malarkey
Poker De Sivola

9-8
Soll
Tarquinius
Viking Blond

9-7
Pentiffic

9-6
Cloudy Lane
Odysseas

9-5
Fabalu

9-2
Gullible Gordon
 
Over the next few days it might be worth keeping an eye on the ones needing an improved mark to get into the race.
 
Any thoughts on Colbert Station? Very much an improving type, sure to get into the race, and being campaigned at present to keep his mark where they want it. McManus likely to have plenty of darts to throw at the race but this as interesting as any of them?

Have taken the 20s.
 
I could see McCoy riding him at Aintree.Maybe an 8/1 shot on the day.The Paddy Power at Leopardstown is fiercely competitive and he showed plenty of tactical speed to win it.
 
Think Ted has been keen to keep Seabass off the track also. Lots to recommend CS, but wouldnt surprise me if 2014 is the goal.
 
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