The Two Mile Chasers

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Energumene v Jonbon Saturday seems likely.

I always like to have a 2 mile chaser as my favorite horse in training.

Energumene currently tops this list for me.

Turning 11 he will need to be a special horse.
 
Jonbon has been brilliantly placed by Nicky which in my opinion has more to do with his run of good form than his raw ability.

if this match had been 2 years ago I would have been all over Energumene but at age 11 he can't possibly have retained the same speed that saw him run Shishkin so close.

I have to give the edge to Jonbon in what might not be the battle royale we expect.
 
Tanlic said:
Jonbon has been brilliantly placed by Nicky which in my opinion has more to do with his run of good form than his raw ability.

if this match had been 2 years ago I would have been all over Energumene but at age 11 he can't possibly have retained the same speed that saw him run Shishkin so close.

I have to give the edge to Jonbon in what might not be the battle royale we expect.
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Imo,suspect he went off too quick against Shishkin as a prep for the QMCC and is prepping again.
We'll see.
 
Just saw the betting Energumene 5/2 is surprising. Jonbon 8/11 I would have thought 10/11 and 11/10would have been more like it with the hype surrounding the race...maybe I am right and it will end up a easy win for Jonbon
 
Ascot looks certain to have plenty cut in the ground so no advantage to either...the result will set the scene for the QMCC which is unlikely to reverse placing if one them wins easily on Saturday in my opinion
 
tiggers1972 said:
I would suspect the ground is the key factor for both Saturday and March.
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Tanlic said:
Jonbon has been brilliantly placed by Nicky which in my opinion has more to do with his run of good form than his raw ability.

if this match had been 2 years ago I would have been all over Energumene but at age 11 he can't possibly have retained the same speed that saw him run Shishkin so close.

I have to give the edge to Jonbon in what might not be the battle royale we expect.
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Hop
Hope so,then we'll get a better price on a horse that's already got a QMCC on his CV`.
Btw,the latter has the higher RPR and T/S than Jonbon.
 
Libberty Hunter clearly has loads to find on ratings but his comeback run was impressive and given he's only been chasing for a year he's built up an excellent CV.

He's a second season chaser so there's a possibility and perhaps even a probability that he's improved over the winter.

If for whatever reason the big two fail to fire he could pick up the pieces. He's the left field angle in the race, if there is one.

I see there's actually been nibbles at big prices on him for the Champion Chase, according to oddschecker anyway. Make of that what you will.
 
Timeform (as at 7 Jan):


CHASERS

179
GALOPIN DES CHAMPS

177
ENERGUMENE

173
EL FABIOLO

172
GERRI COLOMBE

172
JONBON

171
FASTORSLOW

170+
FACT TO FILE

170
BANBRIDGE

So Energumene has a 5lbs advantage with them.

Leaving any sentiment out of the equation, it would seem the value is with Energumene.

Edit - maybe I should re-word it: if you back Jonbon to beat Energumene you're taking a bigger risk than vice versa. Of course you could just watch the race and enjoy it.
 
I have gone for Jonbon but confidence is low. The only real test he has been set was against El Fabiola who never turned up. This is no walk in the park, excuse the pun, it's the biggest challenge of his career to date. He's a shockingly bad price and is likely to drift to around 10/11 so hold your bets on him is my advise
 
I'd love to see Energumene win today. Think he has a lot of class and has been under-rated during his career.

Appreciate he is 11 now and with the most recent injury, there are question marks, but would be great to see him come home the winner.
 
Desert Orchid said:
So Energumene has a 5lbs advantage with them (Timeform).

Leaving any sentiment out of the equation, it would seem the value is with Energumene.

Edit - maybe I should re-word it: if you back Jonbon to beat Energumene you're taking a bigger risk than vice versa. Of course you could just watch the race and enjoy it.
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If Energumene is fit, well, as good as he was and trying Jonbon will need a career best to beat him. That 9/4 Energumene is looking really tempting.

Rather than shell out a lot on him, I might just stick a small win bets on Edwardstone, which I've always felt still had something decent in him and Boothill who did me some favours on his way up through the ranks.
 
I see the 2m5f chase earlier was 3.83s slower than standard (RP) while this race was 6.59s slow.

Given they went a proper pace in the latter, what does it say about the form of the longer race?

(Not that I've ever held RP Standard Times in any regard, I should point out.)
 
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