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The Two Mile Chasers

reet hard said:
I recall when Shishkin was the new messiah after beating Energumene in the Clarence House,and was odds on for the QM.
However,I also pegged that as a training run for the latter,much like the one behind Jonbon,imo.
Will history repeat itself in March?
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I doubt if they will even send Energymene...Gaelic Warrior and Il Est Francais look likely though
 
Beef or Salmon said:
Question marks over them all in one way or another so considering his commanding win today, his 3rd in an Arkle and a much better jockey on board now, I couldn't resist a little e/w nibble on Matata @ 90/1 with Ladbrokes, I imagine I shall be able to lay it off at half of that once the dust settles.
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Job done already, as low as 25s in places and last matched at 33s on the exchanges, tomorrows Racing post has a quote from NTD saying he wants to go there and a very favourable mention from Pricewise in his preview for the QMCH
 
Desert Orchid said:
Edwardstone's OR is 163. Jonbon has beaten him 11lbs.

174 is a decent rating - I think he'll go up to 175 on Tuesday - but it's a fair bit below Altior, Shishkin and Sprinter Sacre.
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The handicapper doesn't seem to have been impressed by Jonbon. He's only gone up a pound to 171.
 
I've never really taken to Jonbon but I do concede that he's a solid favourite. I think that there's evidence that he's several pounds worse at Cheltenham than at, say, Sandown or Ascot and it's no coincidence that he's never recorded a 170 RPR at the track. There is, of course, every chance that 169 might be good enough this year but I don't see 5/4 nrnb as value.
Ruby seems to think that El Fabiolo is making progress on his way back but may not make the DRF. There are many reasons why he might not run in the QMCC but, if he does, he'll probably be close to the top of the OR and RPR lists. 6/1 nrnb seems fair enough.
 
Simon Rowlands looks at the Jonbon-Energumene race, among other things.

I would recommend reading on to the section on International Flat Rankings.

Always food for thought.

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Sectional Spotlight | At The Races

Simon assesses the best of the action from the first Berkshire Winter Million and looks at the results from the recently released World’s Best Racehorse Rankings.
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Rapid turn around of opinion from Timeform. They've dropped Energumene from 177 to 168 in a oner.

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Timeform's Top Jumpers

The current top-rated jumper in Britain and Ireland is Galopin des Champs, trained by Willie Mullins and rated 179.
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It's a shame they don't decide official ratings. Another below-par run would get the big E into the Grand Annual off 150...
 
He has to run here. No point turning up in the Ryanair as El Fabby has already won.
Unless it's Soft/Heavy QMCC, oh and he actually forgets to jump.
 
I think Il Est Francais would have a lot more chance in the Ryanair.

He wouldn't be able to get out and clear as easily against 2m chasers imo.

I've had a couple of big odds punts in this.

I've clearly done my dough on Matata, but I'm still holding out hope for Solness.

He's broken the clock twice now at Leopardstown and I don't think Jonbon is as bomb proof as some are making out.
 
Does anyone give Djelo any hope?

Playing for a place at best?

How much does he need to find on ratings.

Was that his true running at Windsor?

Clearly Protektorat holds him on that form. But then Djelo holds him back on the form from Huntingdon.
 
Ian_Davies said:
I think Il Est Francais would have a lot more chance in the Ryanair.

He wouldn't be able to get out and clear as easily against 2m chasers imo.

I've had a couple of big odds punts in this.

I've clearly done my dough on Matata, but I'm still holding out hope for Solness.

He's broken the clock twice now at Leopardstown and I don't think Jonbon is as bomb proof as some are making out.
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Realistically it is much easier to win the ryanair for him but what's that really worked in terms of achieving something notable with a french horse
 
Marb said:
Was that his true running at Windsor?
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I was at Windsor that day (I hardly ever go racing - or even out! - so I tell you all millions of times whenever I do! 😂) and I was very impressed with Protektorat, who is built like a tank and did a right job of galloping them all into the ground.

Djelo looked out on his feet to me at the end of an easy 2m6f that day, and tbh I wasn't sure he'd get the 3m yesterday, yet he clearly did.

But Venetia Williams was having a quiet spell during Windsor and has been operating at a near-33% strike rate the last fortnight.

I think it depends which Djelo (and which Protekorat as he was previously disappointing at Huntingdon) turns up on the day.
 
Ian_Davies said:
I was at Windsor that day (I hardly ever go racing - or even out! - so I tell you all millions of times whenever I do! 😂) and I was very impressed with Protektorat, who is built like a tank and did a right job of galloping them all into the ground.

Djelo looked out on his feet to me at the end of an easy 2m6f that day, and tbh I wasn't sure he'd get the 3m yesterday, yet he clearly did.

But Venetia Williams was having a quiet spell during Windsor and has been operating at a near-33% strike rate the last fortnight.

I think it depends which Djelo (and which Protekorat as he was previously disappointing at Huntingdon) turns up on the day.
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Yes, I think the bit about what turns up on the day is true for El Fabiolo aswell.

On ratings he's a superior horse to Djelo. But we all know it doesn't always work out like that.

All about what turns up.
 
100% agree with that.

Whereas Gaelic Warrior has been given so many second chances and I cannot understand why he is still so short (how many times does Solness have to beat him?) El Fabiolo was clearly better than Jonbon when they were novices and has become the forgotten horse in the market.
 
Ian_Davies said:
100% agree with that.

Whereas Gaelic Warrior has been given so many second chances and I cannot understand why he is still so short (how many times does Solness have to beat him?) El Fabiolo was clearly better than Jonbon when they were novices and has become the forgotten horse in the market.
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EF hasn’t won for a year, and his jumping looks shot. Jonbon appears to have at least maintained his form, or slightly improved. And if Gaelic Warrior does go here, he’s the horse who pissed last year’s Arkle.
 
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