Tingle Creek weekend at Sandown

if he maintains it he will get beaten, that is as plain as day because there are three horses in the field with higher ORs and one equally matched.

if he improves by over a 7lb he could win but what makes you think he can do that right now when he hasn't jumped a fence in public in nearly 3 years ?

Apologies : Have just re-read what you said.

But horses do not always translate novice form into open company otherwise life would be very easy and we're talking about proven G1 form versus this century's Monsignor (albeit at least Simonsig did eventually turn up again).
 
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Aughex said:
I'm reading the SAME season form from Simonsig novice chase term where he was way way above SDG & Special Tiara. IF he comes back to that form then I see no reason for not coming home in front of them.
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Here's a reason. Both ST and SDG have improved since then.
 
They have, my assumption is Simonsig should improve past them and maintain his novice superiority. Thats what I'm betting on.
 
Bold position to adopt after nearly three year's since his last steeplechase. His presence does make an otherwise hateful-looking Grade 1 interesting though.
 
I've never laid a horse in my life, Aughex. We can agree that the current 5/2 is no value and that you have a good price at 7/1. Good luck with it. Like Euro, a no bet race for me.
 
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Kauto Abu said:
The only thing he'll smash is the fence in front of him. Horse hasn't been able to jump since winning the champion chase 2 seasons ago.


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But he won at Chepstow 9 months ago, and he is a winner, not a chancer, which can be said about 1 or 2 of the rest.

I've been watching racing from aged fifteen and I know when a horse is worth its salt.

Sire is one of those, and even if I do my money I'll know I was on the right horse.
 
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If we're looking at 12/13 form, SDG winning the Celebration surely ranks better than anything Simonsig achieved that season.
 
Grasshopper said:
Bold position to adopt after nearly three year's since his last steeplechase. His presence does make an otherwise hateful-looking Grade 1 interesting though.
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yeah think this is my take on how it looks really. if he hacks up, and i think he's capable, it shakes up an already interesting 2 mile chase division so i'm hopeful of that but i won't be betting as it's hard to know what to reasonably expect.

i do think special tiara is a little big and as long as it doesn't rain the ground would suit him more than the others but he might just be a spring horse. having said that he won at kempton over xmas last year didn't he? talking myself into this now......
 
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But he won at Chepstow 9 months ago, and he is a winner, not a chancer, which can be said about 1 or 2 of the rest.

I've been watching racing from aged fifteen and I know when a horse is worth its salt.

Sire is one of those, and even if I do my money I'll know I was on the right horse.
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And then beaten 40L by vibrato valtat at Exeter having blundered his way around. This after his trainer admitted he's well past his best and isn't the horse he once was. Not my words, Gary Moore's.


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marble said:
But he won at Chepstow 9 months ago, and he is a winner, not a chancer, which can be said about 1 or 2 of the rest.

I've been watching racing from aged fifteen and I know when a horse is worth its salt.

Sire is one of those, and even if I do my money I'll know I was on the right horse.
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Jamie Moore has reputedly said that Sire De Grugy is gone at the game.

Special Tiara ew looks a safe enough bet if they all stand their ground.

It's a shame Simonsig is not running, maybe they've been reading the thread
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Simonsig is lame and misses Tingle Creek</p>— Racing Post (@RacingPost) <a href="https://twitter.com/RacingPost/status/672816542996963329">December 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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LOL...
 
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You can still Back Simonsig at 3.95 and Lay at 4....we sure about this? If anything, he has actually shortened in the last 2hrs!
 
Fu*ck it.....I have just laid at 4.1 and he has gone into 3.95............betting just suspended now.
 
Confirmed NR........looks like my Matched Bet has been voided......bas*tards!
 
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I was in the Day-of-Race rather than the Ante-Post market, James.

They've clearly decided to bottle any bets against Simonsig, struck after a certain time. Maybe it's in their T&C's that they do this - I honest don't know, as it's the first time it's happened to me (likely someone on here will know).
 
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yeah grass. any horse that's withdrawn after final decs is a non runner and all bets on it are void, whether before or after time of the NR declaration. in simonsig's case......

Non Runner 22.3%, Fri 4 Dec 17:11 (GMT)
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you'd only get paid out laying him if you did it in the antepost market which will have closed after the final decs (which i'm guessing was roughly 10am on thursday morning?)
 
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Is this a history lesson, or are we talking about this year's Tingle Creek? :whistle:
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Only posted that because someone..Cant even remember who, said Simonsig's form was rubbish.

The history is "If we all went by racing form we'd all end up broke"

Simonsig has always looked pure class and walks faster than most horses run...He looked a real champion in the making when winning the Neptune.

Sure he was less impressive in the Arkle but he's obviously got major physical problems and you can easily excuse him not running up to his best.

Yet again he misses a major event due to being lame...........sad because he was def the classiest horse in the already depleted field.

With him Sprinter Sacre and UDS all out the race has a very ordinary look to it.

H de Bromhead is in such good form I would have to side with Special Tiara who can go a fair clip round here and Somersby to follow him home
 
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