Tingle Creek

Ashley Brook (IRE) 9.g K. Bishop
Demi Beau 9.g Evan Williams
Gemini Lucy (IRE) 7.m Mrs J. Harrington,
Hoo La Baloo (FR) 6.g P. F. Nicholls
Kauto Star (FR) 7.g P. F. Nicholls
Lennon (IRE) 7.g J. Howard Johnson
Mansony (FR) 8.g A. L. T. Moore, Ireland
Monet's Garden (IRE) 9.g N. G. Richards
Oneway (IRE) 10.g M. G. Rimell
River City (IRE) 10.g Noel T. Chance
Royal Shakespeare (FR) 8.g S. Gollings
Schindlers Hunt (IRE) 7.g D. T. Hughes, Ireland
Twist Magic (FR) 5.g P. F. Nicholls
Voy Por Ustedes (FR) 6.g A. King
 
I actually think, in general, it is a good idea to run these classy stayers over shorter distances to keep them sharp, especially their jumping. When they get used to running slowly and staying on, is there a risk they will become slow?

That said Kauto was never quite as hot last year after the Tingle Creek. Maybe get the King George over with and go for something like the Game Spirit chase as a Cheltenham prep.
 
Hopefully I will be going on the Saturday & it will be my first "Proper" racecourse trip, nothing like throwing yourself in at the deep end :laughing:
 
think i read yesterday that he would only run if it became very soft,...and not certain even then
 
Originally posted by Melendez@Dec 3 2007, 01:29 PM
I actually think, in general, it is a good idea to run these classy stayers over shorter distances to keep them sharp, especially their jumping. When they get used to running slowly and staying on, is there a risk they will become slow?

That said Kauto was never quite as hot last year after the Tingle Creek. Maybe get the King George over with and go for something like the Game Spirit chase as a Cheltenham prep.
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im of the same opinion mel, not wanting to blunt their speed. but also to prove how versatile he is & how good he is. Judging the the media orgasm of Denman's victory, Kauto Star is beginning to look the forgotten horse.
 
Forecast looks pretty wet for the rest of the week and we all know that Sandown can get heavy---I somehow doubt they will run KS, some good judges think he may have peaked--if they stick to their plan they are less likely to feel like monkeys if it does not work out.


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How far does Kauto Star have to decline (and I don't think he is) before he can't beat the current crop of two milers?

FWIW I don't think Nicholls will run him - it sounds like Clive Smith has talked him into entering him just in case it is a bog, but only a week ago Nicholls said:

"I know we won the Tingle Creek last year but this horse is not a two-miler. He is a stayer and will be staying over this trip now."
 
A WEEK after his next-door-neighbour wrested the Gold Cup limelight away from him, reigning champion Kauto Star could be given an early opportunity to prize it back.

Wet weather in the run-up to Saturday's Grade 1 Paddypower.com Tingle Creek Chasemay yet see Kauto Star attempting to show Denman, his Paul Nicholls-trained stablemate and Cheltenham Gold Cup joint-favourite, who's boss, following the latter's sensational Hennessy Cognac Gold Cup win last weekend.

The ground at Sandown looks set to be "well on the easy side" on Saturday - and Nicholls has already aired reservations about running Champion Chase prospect Twist Magic on a soft surface.

Should he defect, that could leave the door ajar for Kauto Star to bid for back-to-back victories in the 2m showpiece. William Hill go 8-11 'with a run'.

Nicholls said on Monday: "Kauto's fine if we want to run him. I only put him in case it rained all week and the ground came up soft or worse. It was just to have the option."

On the day KautoStar was entered for the Tingle Creek last year, Nicholls and owner Clive Smith described the engagement as "tentative and "just a maybe".

However, 24 hours later Kauto Star was deemed all set to run, with Nicholls saying "we don't want to mess about".

Unlike last year, though, Nicholls boasts a leading fancy anyway this time in the shape of Twist Magic, who was on Monday installed 3-1 second favourite, behind Voy Por Ustedes at 6-4, by the sponsors.
Nicholls, who also has Hoo La Baloo among the 14 entries, added: "If it was very soft I would be getting nervous for Twist Magic. It might be a Friday decision if the ground were testing, but I would definitely not run both him and Kauto Star. Hoo La Baloo will definitely run.

"TwistMagic won his prep race well at Kempton in November and if Voy Por Ustedes and Monet's Garden run, it's going to be a very exciting contest. Twist Magic is very well and we'll be expecting a good run but I'm not going to say he'll win.

"He has never run over fences around Sandown, but he's a good jumper, so hopefully the railway fences won't cause any problems."

Nicholls has risen inexorably in the jump trainers' title reckoning over the past month, and another big-race win this weekend would see him power further clear of the chasing pack.

At the start of November, Nicholls lay in seventh place, but big-money wins for Kauto Star, Denman and Mr Pointment, among others, have resulted in him leapfrog six places in the championship table in four weeks.
 
Well, there's plenty of rain forecast for the rest of the week and I expect the going on Saturday will be pretty desperate.
 
I was of the opinion after his Aintree run that Kauto Star might want a trip now to be seen at his best.. not sure at all what to make of that run now though to be honest so I'll leave the race in all liklihood..

Fair play to connections if they do decide to give it a go..
 
I dont think he will run , it would be a mistake to put him here, I think he was not the same horse last year after the Tingle Creek,

if I owned the horse I would keep him for Kempton and try to win the bonus again.
 
I refer back to Paul Nicholls' observation after KS's last win, that before Aintree he had been training KS with 2 milers and it hadn't suited the horse - he switched after the Old Roan to training him with stayers and in his opinion the horse was much happier. Do we detect a slight difference of opinion underlying this horses's campaign between trainer and owner? - the latter clearly wants to win another Tingle Creek!
 
Well quite, but it would make things difficult for a trainer who had expressed himself convinced that one of his all time star horses now needed three miles - and wished to train him accordingly :what:
It will be interesting to see where the horse does go next!
 
as far as i am concerned i think the tingle creek will be run at a good lick on saturday and my fancy for that is ASHLEY BROOK who will make them all go. i am a bit afraid bout him bein taken on up front. opinions anyone?
 
Feel sorry for Mark Rimell, just seen he only has 9 horses in training now and he owns 4 of them.

Sad that is, he didn't deserve to lose the horses he did, especially as it wasn't his faught the horses were sick.
 
if the ground is very soft then i think nickname would be very interesting but would have to know the ground first. it seems pretty soft at the mo doesn't it?
 
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