US Presidential election 2016

EC1 said:
i personally don't care Clive what they think about nukes..yes i understand their beliefs..my post doesn't suggest otherwise....my point was that Putin was always going to use the threat..whether it makes any difference..wasn't what i was saying...i don't have a view on what he does really...none of us really know what he will do next....again you read a post..put a slant on it..then have a dig at your own interpretation

ffs..its a bit tedious Clive..come on lad
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sorry. He was not slated to use that threat. It seems that in the eyes on many, he can...others definitely not. My point and I'm bored with it too

But no view if he uses them? Unlikely, but come off it.
 
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clivex said:
what he's doing overall is not the point. But if you can't see the point that anyone else making the suggestion would have been seized on by the thick left....

what I am pointing out is that hypocritical media and for that matter posters scream about a targeted bombing from the Brits but stay silent when there is suggestions of nuclear weapons being used.

and they are just reflecting the same mindset as stop the west
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Agree that there probably would have been hysterics if either Obama or Cameron has suggested it, but then there are different expectations around that pair.

Maybe this is just the kind of thing people expect to hear from Putin when he is sabre-rattling, and it's therefore not all that dramatic and not to be taken too seriously - especially when you consider that the circumstances in which he might actually use a nook, are so infinitesimally small, that there's little point in making a fuss about it? I dunno - you'd need to ask a leftie. :blink:

My suspicion is that he (Putin) sees the nuke threat as something which might help dissuade Daesh from further attacks on Russian interests. I think he is probably wrong on that count, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was his thinking.
 
Warbler said:
I do hope Turnberry doesn't get sucked into this. It's my favourite Open venue, and it would be a shame to see it caught in the cross fire and the R&A forced to drop it.
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Damn, Turnberry's been dropped!!! The slight irony being Trump purchased it off the arabs too (Dubai)

Now if he should win the Presidency, do we think the R&A will hold their position then?
 
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Agree that there probably would have been hysterics if either Obama or Cameron has suggested it, but then there are different expectations around that pair.

Maybe this is just the kind of thing people expect to hear from Putin when he is sabre-rattling, and it's therefore not all that dramatic and not to be taken too seriously - especially when you consider that the circumstances in which he might actually use a nook, are so infinitesimally small, that there's little point in making a fuss about it? I dunno - you'd need to ask a leftie. :blink:

My suspicion is that he (Putin) sees the nuke threat as something which might help dissuade Daesh from further attacks on Russian interests. I think he is probably wrong on that count, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was his thinking.
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Hes very very wrong if that's his view.
 
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Would I be incorrect in thinking that Putin's comments were caught off-mike?

If they were, then I'm inclined to speculate they were deliberate. What's his alternative? he can hardly stand up and say it, nor could he hope to weave into a speech and hope no one noticed. If he wanted to get this message out he had to find away of doing it that wasn't constrained by being a formal policy position.

Putin isn't exactly a blabbermouth, and has no history of "yo Blair" moments. So if he was wishing to remind persons unknown of his capacity and potential willingness to use tactical nuclear weapons whose ears was his indiscretion designed for? Almost certainly not ISIL's, even Clive seems to be aware of that. My own suspicion is that it was designed for Turkey who he is trying to undermine (not without good reason) and quite possibly America with the view to getting them to lean on the Turks and seek to de-escalate. I note the Turks who were training the Peshmurga have been pulled out of Iraq today at the Iraqi government's request (could do with a second source to confirm that) but I'm sure I caught it on Arab Source

I think it's just staking out a bit of ground from which to negotiate, albeit I don't think it's likely to cut too much ice. A ground based invasion is probably his more powerful weapon
 
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It doesn't matter whose in "charge". They do what they are told. When the United Fruit Company instigated revolution in Guatemala back in the 50s because the govt there was left leaning it didn't matter a **** who the pres was.
 
Warbler said:
Damn, Turnberry's been dropped!!! The slight irony being Trump purchased it off the arabs too (Dubai)

Now if he should win the Presidency, do we think the R&A will hold their position then?
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Surely Turnberry considered this as a possibility before they sold it to this lunatic?
 
I'm not sure who you think Turnberry are? Unlike all the other Open venues, Turnberry isn't a private members club, albeit it has a golf club attached to it. It was owned by Leisurecorp who are a Dubai based group, and a subsidary of the government soverign investment fund. They made a lot of investments before the credit crunch but spent very little on Turnberry. They were only too anxious to get rid of it. It was a simple commercial transaction. Trump bought it for about £38M, and claims to be spending about £200M doing it up. Dashwood manage the hotel and the agreement allows them to continue to do so

Turnberry has always been something of the odd man out of the rota. It's not the easiest course to get to, and routinely records the lowest attendances. The R&A don't really like going there for this reason (yet shite courses like Hoylake are allowed). Turnberry was cetainly in need of being reconfigured and some historical mistakes putting right (notably the ninth and tenth). However, Trump's plans are superb. In total he's changing nine of the holes, a mixture of tweaks or build new ones in the case of 9, 11, and 14. It's difficult to argue that any of them are worse (only 18 might be accused of that, since it's no longer a dog leg)

I suspect that what happened in 2013 with Muirfield stung the R&A and at the time they resolved that they weren't going to have a re-run. The Irish Open held at Portrush in 2012 (IIRC) had been ridiculously well attended. In addition the USPGA had tentatively made noises about taking the fourth major overseas and nominated Portrush as a possibility. 2020 would have been the earliest they could have got there contractually. The pieces came together. The R&A couldn't have the USPGA parking their tanks on its lawns, and if Muirfield (#8 in the world) was to be stripped, they needed something to replace it with. Portrush is ranked #16 by Golf Digest. Portrush was duly slotted for 2019 and the USPGA have backed off. Muirfield are also ballotting their membership with an expectation of a yes vote. This gives them one course too many. The whisper was that Lytham had the most worry about, but Trump has made the decision for them.

I think he might have helped himself a bit had he not plastered his own name over everything. People, the sport, and sponsors don't want the association. It wasn't just his muslim rant, he said some pretty damaging stuff earlier in the year about golf being an aspirational game that only rich people should be allowed to play. It's a complete contradiction of the R&A's mission to promote the game. He's not the only owner with similar view. Kohler isn't much better, and the USPGA gave him their major last year, and the Ryder Cup in 2020

I wonder what he's going to do with Turnberry now? It's about the most expensive green fee in Scotland already (not Trumps doing). I can't see that he'll get his investment back. Does he plug on with it as a vanity project, or does he let it rot? He's certainly out of love with Scotland at the moment!!! I did smile at one comment I saw on a message board that was supportive of Trump which suggested he'd been double-crossed and asked "how can you trust these people, they're the same people who let out the Lockerbie terrorists" - now the R&A might have been accussed of a few things before now, but really ......
 
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It's my favourite venue, albeit I'll coneed that Carnoustie is probably the best 'course'

I'd like them to drop Hoylake myself. They are contracted to go back there at least once more, but after that they can let it go. By then, Trump will probably be dead. The R&A have said that they intend going back to Turnberry, but don't intend going to Trump Turnberry. There's also a growing body of opinion that Porthcawl should be introduced. Those seniors who played it two weeks after Hoylake in 2014 were unaminous as to which the best track was. The Welsh government have shown a willingness to underwrite major sporting events before like the Ryder Cup, or the Ashes, so perhaps they could bridge fund the Hoylake crowd a bit. It would make for a stronger rota, and especially if Turnberry is reintroduced instead of Lytham. I wouldn't be averse to losing Royal St Georges as I think it owes too much to luck and capricious bounces (you only have to look at their list of previous winners to see that - compare it with somewhere like Muirfield which is usually regarded as the fairest test of a links golfer). Having said that, there is no way that the R&A will sacrifice its window on London, so I'd have thought the over represented Lancashire coast (Hoylake, Lytham and Birkdale) is the obvious place to lose a venue from
 
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Well it's the final GOP debate tonight before the Iowa/ New Hampshire voting, and Rick Santorum has started off by declaring that world war 3 has started and that Obama is responsible for the creation of ISIS because of his Iraq policies (obviously overlooking who took us there in the first place)
 
"If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They love anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific"

- Donald J Trump, People Magazine, 1998
 
damn

I'm blaming Paddy Power.

Thinking about it of course, something like that would have been all over the place within 24 hours and pretty well sunk him, but it's surprising how it's gone viral
 
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Trump now consolidating his position has GOP favourite for the first time, top priced 13/8 and 4/1 to win the white house

Anyone still dismissing him as "no chance"?

Well Hilary is on the slide, and if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination, then a President Trump becomes a real possibility. Sanders is a man whose described himself as a "democratic socialist". That sounds like electoral suicide in a country where the tag of liberal is only one step away from being a communist
 
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Well Hilary is on the slide, and if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination, then a President Trump becomes a real possibility. Sanders is a man whose described himself as a "democratic socialist". That sounds like electoral suicide in a country where the tag of liberal is only one step away from being a communist
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But, Bernie is ahead of Trump by a full 15 points in the polls. (That is, in a head-to-head if both were to win their respective party's nominations). He's even further ahead of Trump than Hilary is !

Latest poll from yesterday .................
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
 
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I wouldn't bank on Sanders being able to maintain that lead at all. He's been polling better than Hilary in hypothetical head to head polls almost from day one largely because Hilary carries a lot of baggage by now. My own suspicion is that its a bit of a Corbyn thing, and once Americans look at Sanders in greater detail they'll baulk, which potentially opens the door for the Trump man.

In other news, Trump now has this deranged wailing harridan in his corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzFNAoYGJ48

On any other planet an endorsement by this screaming banshee would be the kiss of death to a candidate
 
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