What are the Police for? This is a horrible story....

Gareth Flynn said:
EC1, you're fervently pro-capital punishment, and you talk about 'sub-human' 'vermin' 'scum' who should be 'exterminated.' You specifically agreed with clivex's notion that the perpetrators of the harassment in this case should be hung from lamp posts and have their eyes pecked out by crows, going on to confirm that their age is irrelevant to you, and assuming that anyone who disagrees with you must be at the complete opposite end of the spectrum: 'soft', 'molly-coddling', and on the side of criminals.

These are your views. I find them abhorrent, and I'm not going to shy away from telling you so. Why should I? I couldn't care less if you feel like I'm badgering you or if it feeds your paranoia; your extremist rhetoric deserves to be stood up to and challenged.
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no problem Gareth with you disagreeing.....but..you don't seem to be treating Clive the same..although it was his post that suggested hanging kids from lamp posts..AND THATS THE POINT I'M MAKING

Whether you believe it or not..my response to his post was tongue in cheek...simply because I didn't really take him seriously as I know he is against capital punishment.

there is another thread on here where we talked about capital punishment ..I made my position quite clear without any of the Clive type scenarios involved...I said there I would like to see serious/evil wrongdoers put to sleep.

Regarding children who commit evil crimes..they wouldn't be let out like the Bulger killers have that is for sure if it were up to me...obviously they would have be treated differently to adults..again..I would not hang them from lamposts as CLIVE suggested..ok? 10 year olds today are a little different from 10 year olds from 20 years ago..they are where I live anyway..they are not the sweet innocents you might imply by saying ..oh they are only 10yo.

The only thing I hear from those against capital punishment is ..just that..they are against it....I don't see any solution offered up in place of it.

So if we have no CP..what do we do then?
 
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krizon said:
The thing is this: nobody for a moment believes it's acceptable that anyone should suffer as this poor woman and her daughter did. I'm sure everyone thinks that she's been poorly served by the police, presumably also by Social Services/her Council, etc. She may not have had the will or energy left from caring for a very dependent child to go to her local MP - and she knew there'd be more reprisals if she did. Like many animals, some human communities attack the most vulnerable and weakest members, ostracising them for their difference to the majority. These attackers tend to be ill-educated and frequently from a history of brutal backgrounds. What's got to be addressed is WHY we have these people in our society, and WHAT will be done to remedy their social situation, so that their numbers are reduced? By that, I mean getting tough on shite parents who breed dangerously-uncontrolled children. Take their kids into care early on, stop their allowances, etc., force the adults into learning programmes, shove them into rehab and get them off the drink and drugs so many of them are on, thus polluting their own children's lives and thus their communities.

Hanging children from lamp posts is a revolting idea, and would merely encourage the retributive lynch mob mentality of the type of semi-human involved in the EDL. If you want a return to medieval barbarism, then that's the low level of brutishness you'll get - just don't expect to be treated with justice and fairness if you transgress the type of person who'd like to see children dangling dead.

What needs to be sorted out is why, in the 21st Century, Britain still suffers from brutish anti-social activity. The streets are cleaner, there's indoor plumbing and electricity, but it seems that there's still a Hogarthian atmosphere in some communities, and one has to ask why this happens, and how to correct it. Putting back the clocks to savagery would not be the answer.
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Do you really think Clive was serious about hanging children?...even though he joked again about it afterwards...that bit seems to have been overllooked to suit purpose by Gareth...do you really believe I was all for his imaginary scenario? Although..when I hear of these things initially it wouldn't bother me a jot what happens to the perpetrators of evil tbh..I think many people feel like that about outragious stuff like this ..but I don't condone doing it...but I still believe in capital punishment..because imo some people deserve that penalty for the crimes they commit

I agree with a lot of what you say..but you can't reduce the numbers of parents..they are breeding quickly..and their offspring are bringing up sprogs worse than themselves.

The benefits system is partly to blame..there are whole groups of society brought up to treat getting benefits as a "job". Its no longer a concession for people..they view it as a right..like a weekly wage they have somehow earned.

I work near our jobcentre/benefits hall..deary me..its like a stereotype's convention...young thug + girlfriend + baby..they take the whole family to make sure they get what they want.

There is a telephone box outside..solely for the purpose of ringing for "crisis loans"..these people walk in talking on mobiles..put the phone away and ring for a crisis loan..there are people in the phone box all day.

Its hand out Britain gone daft...then you have pensioners who are more needy being all independent and trying to manage without claiming anything..some of them daren't even leave their homes because kids where they live make their lives a misery..kids = 8yo+

When sympathy is being handed out..re softer sentences..it might be worth considering those that really do deserve sympathy..because getting outraged by punishment to wrongdoers is a waste of outrage imo when there are so many people who really do deserve sympathy

All what you suggest doing requires money and time..is any government ever going to do that??..because even a scenario like "bad lads army" looks too extreme to the succession of governments we have.

In fact..owt offered up is viewed as extreme these days...oooh their human rights....what about the rights of the victims?
 
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How people interpret my stated scenario tells me all i need to know EC1.

People are always quick to take offence and take it literally if it suits them of course
 
clivex said:
How people interpret my stated scenario tells me all i need to know EC1.

People are always quick to take offence and take it literally if it suits them of course
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true, very true

anyway, I'm not getting involved - you always getting me into trouble on boards you are :lol:

or is it me getting mesen into it? :p
 
It's so nice to see the two of you finally agree on something. Who would ever have thought your common ground would be retribution fantasies involving the torture and murder of children.
 
EC1 - you don't need to be an apologist for Clivex's abhorrent remarks and for him then - your description - to have 'joked' about hanging errant children from lamp posts, having the crows peck out their eyes, while their 'scum' parents are made to watch, since either scenario tells me all I need to know about his thinking, thanks. Squirming around trying to pass off these comments as funny doesn't work. If you really think like that, then have the good grace to stand by your remarks. If you don't really think 'like that', then how come the thought still occurred?

There's nothing jovial about the horrific suicide/murder of this woman and her disabled daughter, and there's nothing jovial about fantasising - since that's the only other explanation - about the barbaric retribution Clivex (and you) would have visited upon their tormentors. For Chrissakes, get a grip.
 
Clive

you were right - we caught one..and then netted another one

a lot of trouble to go to when IS has caught me with just one post on the BNP thread :lol:

we must do this again :p
 
EC1 said:
Clive

you were right - we caught one..and then netted another one

a lot of trouble to go to when IS has caught me with just one post on the BNP thread :lol:

we must do this again :p
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I have not been involved in this thread - but members have been banned before for stirring or better put - trolling.
 
Yes ec1

As i said before it was oh so predictable the humourless "i am going to take offence now" from some
 
Would be nice to have seen somewhere within 15 odd posts from one poster

1. A single word about the victims

2. Any suggestion whatsoever as to how the "gangs" should have been dealt with

But then again...perhaps not
 
Well here we are again, the few who speak out about actually doing something to correct our shit society hounded by the do gooders.
There is no answer any more, Britain is broken now and goodness knows what kind of a country will be left in say 10 or 20 years.
I am petrified for my kids and want to keep them in whats left of the decent areas before the scum take over.

And by the way Clive's "joke" way of dealing with these people would have slightly more effect than a tag
 
clivex said:
Would be nice to have seen somewhere within 15 odd posts from one poster

1. A single word about the victims

2. Any suggestion whatsoever as to how the "gangs" should have been dealt with

But then again...perhaps not
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This coming from the individual who

1. Uses the victim's story as an excuse to indulge his sick fantasies about torturing and murdering children

2. Uses the victim's story as a tool with which to troll an internet forum
 
harry said:
Well here we are again, the few who speak out about actually doing something to correct our shit society hounded by the do gooders.
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Those mighty few, fighting the good fight, doing everything they can to bring about a new society... where children are hung from lamp posts and have their eyes pecked out by crows. Yes, it truly is a sad day when rhetoric like that is challenged. :rolleyes:
 
"Correct" society? Jeez, who'd have thought that Chairman Mao was alive and well and living in England?

The vast majority of British society doesn't need "correction" and isn't shit - but never let a lack of facts get in the way of a blast of hyperbole. And for the minority of our society which is dysfunctional, then find the remedy, not the so-called "correction" (aka retribution). Once you've "corrected" the causes of societal shittiness, you won't get the results. But that would take the application of thought and work, not a lynch-mob mentality, so I can see why it wouldn't, and couldn't, appeal to some people.
 
This seemed topical. The poor man just died today.

The grandfather of magician Keith Barry has died in hospital from injuries he sustained during a burglary at his home in Waterford last week.

Eighty-four-year-old Paddy Barry suffered serious head and facial injuries, as well as a broken arm, when he was attacked by three men who called to his home on Mount Sion Avenue last Wednesday evening.

He had been unresponsive since the attack and died in hospital at 5.30am today.

A post-mortem will be carried out to determine whether he died as a direct result of his injuries.

A man who was arrested by gardaí in relation to the incident was arrested and released. A garda spokesman said a file has been prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

Mr Barry had lived in the Mount Sion Avenue area of Waterford for 60 years.

At the time, his devastated grandson Keith, who has staged sell-out shows in Las Vegas, hit out at the justice system and said other pensioners living in the quiet part of the city were petrified.

He called for mandatory three-year prison sentences for criminals who break into pensioners’ homes.

“I think anybody who enters a pensioner’s home uninvited – that’s anybody over 65 – it should be a mandatory sentence, without bail, without excuses,” said the entertainer last week.

“These thugs have no fear. They have no fear for the law, they have no fear for the justice system and they have no fear of us in our homes.”

Gardaí have appealed with anyone with information to come forward.
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I think it's commendable that despite Barrys obvious grief he is still able to come up with a suggestion for a proper punishment/deterrent for this type of crime. In my opinion 3 years is too short but at least despite how he must feel he has a reasoned solution.
 
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The original purpose of this thread was to show complete anger and disgust at the behaviour of the gangs and huge sympathy for the victims. The obvious discussion was what the solutions should be. I couldnt care less whether anyone finds the thought of retribution disgusting, thats a take it or leave it, . but there has also been discussion about the police role (from me) and social services and so on

It was big news and very significant given many peoples current experiences and fears. it was also an extraoridnarily moving story and one that naturally drives people to complete anger

Gareth Flynn tells us that this is a troll

As ive said, he has posted around 20 times on this thread and not once commented on the victims desperate actions or made one single suggestion as to how this could be prevented in the future
 
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