Would You Choose Your Job?

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Mine is good sometimes but at others it really is dreadful. The job perks make up for it though - 13 weeks paid holiday a year and finishing work at 3pm, at least the in-school part of it, is always nice so today I got home at 4.30, mowed my lawn and sat in the sun for a bit. Naturally being Birmingham, the clouds soon came but it was nice while it lasted.
 
I love my job, i'm really good at it and it is fun, what more could you ask for?

The only problem is that all entertainment seems designed to infuriate people who work at weekends like I do. I lose track so quickly of how many times you hear that it is the weekend so time to relax or have fun.
 
I've had some crap jobs, working for H SAMUEL'S cleaning the shite out of cuckoo clocks...... :P

and working for Fyffe’s putting the bends in bananas :P ………..a tough job I got arms like Arnold!!!!..............
 
DG: congratulations, old bean, it didn't take you long to show them what you're made of! I'd take the promotion for the very simple reason it showed you were promotable where others weren't, and in double-quick time, too. If you tell yourself you'll give it a probationary period of 3 - 6 months, then you won't feel as if a door has clanged shut behind you. (During which period, of course, you can continue to cast your net if you don't feel good vibes.)

When I got my promotion to a supervisory job with accountability for a fair-sized budget and 35 permanent staff and 100 trainees, I went from being an executive secretary to an entirely different type of job. Where I'd always been instructed or guided by a boss, suddenly I WAS the boss! I think I felt very odd for the first week, as if cast adrift on a raft. However, I gradually got used to the sense of being 'one of them' instead of 'one of us' and I think I did a fairly good job of it, since two more promotions followed.

The nice thing is that you have that on your CV for life, no matter what you may do later.
 
I always vowed that the day I woke up in the morning and couldn't face going to work, I wouldn't go in. Hence, I have only had two jobs in my working life and have plans to be working (very) part time in a couple of years and doing another job, not 100% sure what, but almost certainly on less money than I earn now.

I was thrilled that one of my old work colleagues who retired last week has invited me to his retirement party tomorrow even though I left that particular company over 7 years ago. He worked for me for many years, and although we had our ups and downs, we both had a mutual respect for each other. It will be great to see him again.

I love the job I do now. I have found the perfect working environment, I have Barney at my feet all day ready for his next walk, lots of nice customers, and the freedom to come and go as I please as my own boss. I am on call 24/7, but it is a very small price to pay for the increased freedom.

You won't be surprised to learn that as it was a nice day today, I took myself off to the shops and then to the bookies. B)
 
Originally posted by an capall@May 5 2006, 05:06 PM
I used to love my job, and couldn't wait for the next big project. But since 'Alexander The Great' and 'New World', I have grown to hate it.
I'm not surprised you lost the faith after Alexander - it was dreadful and SO historically inaccurate!!!!
 
I sometimes like / sometimes hate my job. I cannot ever imagine admitting to loving it.

The long holidays are necessary as the job is one of the most demanding imaginable.

I applied for my 'dream' job a couple of years ago but didn't even get an interview. When I see and read who got the job I have to question the intellect of my prospective employers. You won't be surprised to learn it was the BHB.

Now that I have passed the big 5-0, I have to accept that I am stuck in my job. There's no point in my looking elsewhere now and I can't imagine any other employer bettering what I'm on just now.

However, if the BHB came back and offered me the job I was after for the same money I am on now (over 16% more than the advertised salary than the job I applied for) I might be tempted, but they'd have to offer a hell of a benefits package.
 
Yeah, I know about those demanding jobs, DO - being a paid assassin, taking out only the most dangerously well-guarded targets certainly means you need to chill seriously when the operation's over. :ph34r: I remember my first, at the time of the Congo crisis in 1961...
 
Well I can happily admit that I am one of the few that actually does like their job. The pay is well above what most people my age earn, the people are awesome, the hours are minimal and its great once to be able to look at life in a positive manner, rather than negatively.

About 12 months ago I was a different person. You could not even approach me without getting bitten at. I was a timebomb waiting to explode, all because of work. I was underpaid, working up to 12 hours daily, working through my lunch hour to meet deadlines and to show committment, all for nothing. My old company Heath Lambert, had recently merged with a global powerhouse insurance broker, publicly listed on the stock exchange. I tried to remain optimistic, unlike most other colleagues, that this new change would be fantastic, and I would have a wonderful career ahead of me. How wrong could one be? My first experience of this new company was the atmosphere. At Heath we all welcomed each other saying "Good Morning" even if we didn't like the other person. It was apart of the atmosphere. When we first arrived, and it would be the case for the next 7 months that I endured, no one would approach and speak to me. We never had any induction, formal welcoming or even basic lessons on how to use the new computer system package that this new company used. We were shown our seats and expected to adapt immediately.
I hated this new environment, and it got worse over the next 7 months, especially when I was told by several other colleagues that a new person would be coming in above me, and that I had never been thought of for the position, though I had been on that exact account for over 2 years, and knew it like the back of my hand. I also got told by another colleague, my best mate the reason I had not been offered it was "Because I was the admin girl, and always would be the admin girl."
In the final 3 months before my departure, I started looking for a new job. I applied for everything left, right and centre, with one goal, to get away from this company that had caused me so much distress. I didn't care where I went, I just wanted out. I would have left earlier, but had a car that I was paying off on top of the bills for every day living.

The going was totally tough those 3 months, as I was knocked back consistently as I was either too experienced for the position, or under skilled, and had to have my insurance qualifications, which I didn't.

It was one day when I was looking through the Sydney City Weekly that I stumbled across a small advertisement saying "Claims Role." I applied, had an interview with the General Manager of the company Kevin, before I proceeded to a second interview with my current manager, Renato. I was then offered the role, and given a very significant payrise.

I was very uncertain and skeptical of those around me when I first started. However after the third day I realised that these people were the nicest people I had ever met. I think what made it more comfortable was that the managing director David, had a chat with me about hierarchies, and that we were in fact all in this together, and that others may have more significant roles than me, but they were not better than me, and we were all even.
It was hard getting used to people chatting to me like I was a human again at work. I mistakingly was scared of two of the guys there, Peter and Andrew for no reason. This was resolved easily. Andrew came up to me with a drink on the Friday night drinks and wanted to know me, and Peter made it his right to sit next to me at a party, and start talking to me.

I have learnt alot from my experiences, probably the most important is being true to myself. Looking back now, I am actually glad that I experienced the 7 months of hell at my old company as it taught me a lot. I can only reflect back on it and say "If I had of left earlier in the piece, then this brilliant position I am in now would not exist."
12 months ago I was like a car without a steering wheel, all over the place with no direction. I have that now. I wouldn't be shooting a gun either and aiming for the Olympics.
I think the other significant factor is I have gone back to part time study, to better myself in life, and also to earn a better income. I also can happily say that this "only admin girl" no longer holds such a title.
 
Originally posted by Desert Orchid@May 5 2006, 10:28 PM
The long holidays are necessary as the job is one of the most demanding imaginable.
No offence, DO, but why do teachers always insist that they have the most stressful job possible and dismiss all other careers as non-stressful? After all, most of the teachers I know have never been anything but teachers! I'm not saying for a second that teaching isn't a stressful job as I'm sure that it is, I'm questioning the belief of teachers that they have the most stressful job by far and nothing comes close to it which I know to be a fallacy. Besides, it's not as though teaching doesn't have loads of benefits - nearly half the year off on holiday, finishing at 3pm, good salary, good pension.
 
A lot of teachers spend their entire lives in a classroom. Infants, Juniors, Secondary, University and then back to one or more of the aforementioned for the rest of their time. Now they may or may not know about how demanding that job is but how they can compare it to the stresses of other jobs escapes me. I've known a fair few couples who were both in teaching and I have been constantly amazed at how knowledgeable they would appear to be about what other people's work entails. I have taken, and still take, a fair bit of stick about being a life long civil servant but I have to tell you that supporting your boss in a Public Accounts Committee Hearing or briefing Ministers in Whitehall are jobs not without a certain amount of stress ( despite the fairly accurate picture portrayed by Yes Minister).
Yes, I have enjoyed a generous pension for over ten years so far but that doesn't reduce the stress of those working years. One of the problems is adjusting from being 'someone' in an organisation to being almost a 'nothing' when you retire. That feeling is not helped when people who've been interested in a sublect for a couple of years suddenly know absolutely everything about it and assume that because you're 'of an age' you couldn't still wipe the floor with them in an IQ Test.
But then, that's life! Mine's been great to me.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 6 2006, 07:08 AM
No offence, DO, but why do teachers always insist that they have the most stressful job possible and dismiss all other careers as non-stressful?  After all, most of the teachers I know have never been anything but teachers!  I'm not saying for a second that teaching isn't a stressful job as I'm sure that it is, I'm questioning the belief of teachers that they have the most stressful job by far and nothing comes close to it which I know to be a fallacy.  Besides, it's not as though teaching doesn't have loads of benefits - nearly half the year off on holiday, finishing at 3pm, good salary, good pension.
I trust most of that was tongue-in-cheek, SL <_<

I cannot speak for all teachers, obviously, but I have to say your perception of teaching is as far removed from reality as might be my perception of what your job entails.

I appreciate that the vast majority of jobs are stressful to varying degrees. But how many people in those stressful jobs would choose to leave them to come into teaching?

Nearly half the year off? Who are you kidding? We get 65 days holiday per year. If we didn't get them there wouldn't be many teachers in existence and the educational system would be in meltdown. I wouldn't do the job if I didn't have the recovery time. I'd be like a Martin Pipe horse <_<

Take those six weeks in the summer. For me, it means two weeks trying to clear my mind of all the clutter that has been building up for a year:
Leading, managing and providingstrategic direction to colleagues; developing the curriculum at 8 levels and overseeing Quality Assurance within those areas as well as within teaching and learning; contributing to school policy re behaviour management of pupils; reviewing the development needs, career development and performance of colleagues; taking on responsibility for pastoral care; working in partnership with colleagues, parents, external agencies and staff in other schools; and that's not to mention "simply" teaching and associated preparation/correction; assessment, recording and reporting; preparing pupils for assessments and exams; promoting health, welfare and safety of pupils; committing myself to professional development; contributing to good order and the wider needs of the school, and that's just the important stuff.

I then get about two weeks in which I get a chance to relax. After that, I spend the next two weeks wondering about whether I'm going to have the energy and strength to cope with another year of the same, during which time my sleep patterns become more disrupted and I envisage all sorts of scenarios with staff and parents follwing the exam results, and how I'm going to deal with them.


Finishing at 3pm? Since when? I don't know anywhere where classes stop at that time. This last week, my times at school were:
Mon: 8.15 - 5.15
Tue: 8.20 - 5pm
Wed: 8.30 - 5.05
Thu: 8.10 - 7pm
Fri: 8.20 - 5pm
I get a 15min break around 11am and 40mins for lunch, most of which is spent correcting and preparing.

And then I come home and do a bit more just to keep my head above water.

The salary isn't anywhere near what I think the job is worth and I reckon I'm worth even more for the job I do but I accept it is more than a lot of people get. I reckon I do a more important job than a GP and, if the press is anything to go by, I'm only on a fraction of what they get.

The pension is very average in the big scheme of things and not many teachers who work to 65 live much more than three or four years after retirement. The key is to retire at 60 or earlier.

There are no other benefits. No company cars. No private medical insurance. No performance related benefits or commission. No expense accounts.

Why don't you quit your job and take it up?
 
"I'd be like a Martin Pipe horse"

But you are like a Martin Pipe horse - lean and trained to the minute. :D
 
DO - my comment about having half the year off was tongue in cheek, but having 'only' 65 days a year is still around 3 times the average! That is a massive amount, and again, your comments about going into meltdown if you didn't have that long off on hoilday mirrors what I was saying before about teachers all being convinced they have the most stressful job on earth and nothing else comes close!

I don't see why my perceptions of teaching is totally far removed from reality - you may think that you're on a poor wage but, be fair, a teacher's wage isn't too bad, it's far from poverty and is above the national average. A teacher's pension isn't bad, either.

Yes, compared to a GP's salary a teacher's one is poorer - but I can see exactly why! I really cannot see why a teacher feels that they should be on as much as, if not more than, a doctor - for starters a doctor has worked far harder to get to where they are than a teacher. They need far better exam marks (in arguably the most difficult subjects - the sciences and maths) to get into university to sit a medical degree, with longer time in university and years spent qualifying out of medical school when they are on call most of the time and putting in 100 hour weeks. I can't see much comparison there to the teacher's lot, I'm afraid.

As for where did I get a 3pm finishing time from - not only did I finish at 3pm when I was at school (as well as all the other schools in the area) PDJ stated earlier in the thread that his school finishes classes at 3pm.

There are no other benefits. No company cars. No private medical insurance. No performance related benefits or commission. No expense accounts.

Why don't you quit your job and take it up?

I don't get a company car, commission or expense accounts either! No, I certainly don't want to be a teacher but I wasn't saying you had an easy lot - I was questioning why it is that teachers insist they have the most stressful job in the world ever. They find it inconceivable that any other job can create stress - certainly not on a level close to their own! Oh, and yes, I know at least two people who went from decent jobs that they liked (and were earning decent enough wages) to becoming teachers. I don't want to teach as it really doesn't appeal to me, not because I'm frightened that it would be too stressful to do. I just wish that teachers would stop banging on about how much more stressful than any other job teaching is and how desperately they need three times as much holiday time as everyone else! Maybe a bunch of teachers would like to come in and trade on a horse racing desk for a large bookmakers on a Saturday when all the favourites are winning, they might believe that other jobs can be stressful too! ;) :lol:
 
OK, SL, let's take those answers one at a time...

If we didn't have the time off we need, we wouldn't do the job. They wouldn't be able to recruit teachers; you'd have classes of 50+ and riots everywhere, which would spill beyond school and into society. The only controlled learning environments would be in private schools, which would in turn create a two tier social divide leading, in a worst-case scenario to civil war.

I'm not convinced doctors have to work harder to get where they are. Certainly at Uni, it was the medics who were never out of the bars, snooker hall and gym. It is a very subjective remark to say that maths and science are the most difficult exams. In fact, about 5 years ago, independent research concluded that it was more difficult to score highly in a language exam than any other.

100-hour weeks apply to junior hospital doctors and must be very stressful but they don't apply to GPs, which is with whom I was comparing teaching. A teahcing trainee, if they're doing it properly would be working from about 8.30am to 10pm six or seven days a week. Those that don't tend to drop out after a couple of placements or end up bounced around from school to school until, thankfully, they come across a Head strong enough either to provide meaningful re-training or have them forced out.

I'm genuinely surprised to learn that any secondary school finishes as early as 3pm.

We do not find it inconceivable that any other job can be stressful and in fact I said quite the opposite. When I say our levels of stress are unimaginable, it does not exclude equal or greater levels of stress in other jobs. I cannot imagine the levels of stress on the floor of the Stock Exchange other than that it might be even more intense than teaching. But they get their rewards in spadefuls. All we get is the blame for all of society's ills.

As for working in a bookies on a Saturday? What a skoosh! You have computers to do all your work for you ;)
 
I was always happy with my work - well, over 95% of the time.

I am equally happy now going racing all over the place on going on too many holidays.
 
Originally posted by Desert Orchid@May 6 2006, 07:00 PM
If we didn't have the time off we need, we would not do the job. They wouldn't be able to recruit teachers
Ah, but that's because you know you have the holidays!! :lol: If you were to take them away now, of course you wouldn't get any teachers. My point is just that yes, it is a stressful job but you get ample rewards for that - ie three times as much holiday as everyone else, the opportunity to be at home by 1630 if you wish (as per PDJ's post that he was home and mowing his lawn by 1630 - and that's after commuting a long way across a major city!!), sociable hours (plenty of industries would kill to work Mon-Fri, 08:30-15:00), a decent enough salary and a decent enough pension plan (both above average, anyway).



I'm not convinced doctors have to work harder to get where they are. Certainly at Uni, it was the medics who were never out of the bars, snooker hall and gym.

Hmm, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one!!! :D

It is a very subjective remark to say that maths and science are the most difficult exams

Ok, I'm splitting hairs here but I', pretty sure I said arguably the hardest subjects.

100-hour weeks apply to junior hospital doctors and must be very stressful but they don't apply to GPs, which is with whom I was comparing teaching.

All doctors have to work as junior hospital doctors in order to qualify. I do believe it isn't until doctors have completed a certain amount of time as an SHO (Senior House Officer) that they are even allowed to apply to become GPs, in fact it may not even be until they reach Registrar status. So all doctors have to put in the 100 weeks and long years as House Officers and Senior House Officers when they are on call on the very few hours a week that they aren't actually working. No NQT is going to have to put in those hours, or work unsociable shifts, including nights and weekends.

As for working in a bookies on a Saturday? What a skoosh! You have computers to do all your work for you ;)

Ah, you missed out Sundays, Bank Holidays, evenings, nights.... :lol: Not that I'm complaining - I've done all the shitty stuff to get to where I am and now all I have to work is Saturdays, Sundays, evenings & bank holidays!! :lol: It's something I'm used to, par for the course. I do object to the BHB wanting to stick on more and more evenings though, especially when for the most part it is utter shite. We all know we have to work damn hard during the summer and that 12 hour days are the norm - but we don't want it made an all the year event!! Oh, and I wish the computers did all the work for us.... :D
 
There was once an article in one of the tabloids about how a nurses pay had fallen over the years when compared to the likes of teachers, policemen and doctors. My wife (a nurse) took severe umbrage to a letter sent in by a teacher claiming that "at least nurses were dealing with people who wanted to get better" (insinuating that pupils didn't want to learn). As the wife said "I'd like to see her dealing with a demented, alcoholic, junkie" to which I replied "I know. Plasticine chucking bint". :lol:
 
Mon: 8.15 - 5.15
Tue: 8.20 - 5pm
Wed: 8.30 - 5.05
Thu: 8.10 - 7pm
Fri: 8.20 - 5pm
I get a 15min break around 11am and 40mins for lunch, most of which is spent correcting and preparing

Sorry to disappoint you DO but welcome to the real world, I work roughly 60 hours a week for a job in Retail Management and my salary after 5 years experience is less than a first year teacher, and I only get a 30 minute lunch break which is usually spent doing paperwork. I have none of the benefits that you listed but as I stated earlier, i love my job and i'm good at it so I carry on doing it.
I do have to put up with my brother (PDJ) moaning about how his job is the most stressful in the world and mine couldnt possibly compare, but as Shadow Leader says, he wouldnt know as the last non-teaching job he had was almost 10 years ago.
 
Originally posted by ovverbruv@May 6 2006, 09:43 PM
I do have to put up with my brother (PDJ) moaning about how his job is the most stressful in the world
Stick chewing-gum in his hair ovverbruv. :lol:
 
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