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That's £1 more than they let me have.
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The 2025 Tingle Creek Chase
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Desert Orchid
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Lulamba was five seconds faster over the CD, by the way.
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Hard to know what to make of that.
Desert Orchid
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I've run the replays of both simultaneously from the point the leaders each crossed the first fence.
The novices were soon clear and at one point were over 30 lengths ahead. They were jumping the second Railway Fence when the Jonbon was leading his field over the first.
The tingle Creek field never really closed the gap after that.
It's possible the rain had got a bit more into the ground but it's also probably they didn't actually go that fast in the Tingle Creek.
Didn't something similar happen at Kempton the day Il Est Francais was much faster over the CD than the King George field?
Ian_Davies
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Well, I was half right - it was Il Etait Temps v daylight.
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On the face of it Lulamba is pretty special and Il Etait Temps was perhaps flattered by how easily he won, despite the eulogies being heaped on him. Be interesting to see how Timeform rate the two of them.
Ps: just come back to this - talk about teaching grandmother to suck eggs. Sorry guys
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Desert Orchid
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On the face of it Lulamba is pretty special and Il Etait Temps was perhaps flattered by how easily he won, despite the eulogies being heaped on him. Be interesting to see how Timeform rate the two of them.
Ps: just come back to this - talk about teaching grandmother to suck eggs. Sorry guys
Well, Lulamba, rated 153, has beaten rivals rated 147 and 146 respectively, 9.5 lengths. That's hardly 'pretty special in my book.
I'll be very surprised if Timeform doesn't have IET 20lbs higher.
Desert Orchid
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I mean IET 20lbs+ higher than Lulamba.
About as dizzy as the midway step up the 10ft diving dale.
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I wouldn't read too much into the times.
Be Aware and Lump Sum are circa OR 150 horses who've run their races and been easily beaten by circa ten lengths by a horse getting advantageous weight for age.
The time tells you the Henry VIII was run at a decent pace, nothing more.
They didn't go nearly so quick in the Tingle Creek, but I don't think that flattered the winner, who stays 2m5f.
Jonbon has probably run to his mark, but the winner was far too good.
I don't think L'Eau Sud has run his race.
Many may passionately disagree with all this - that's fine, I really don't care, because that's as much as I can be bothered to think about the race tbh - these Grade 1s are analysed to death and time agonising over whether a 5/2 shot should be 11/4 or 9/4 is time that could be better spent on figuring where the value is in the December Gold Cup next week.
Be Aware and Lump Sum are circa OR 150 horses who've run their races and been easily beaten by circa ten lengths by a horse getting advantageous weight for age.
The time tells you the Henry VIII was run at a decent pace, nothing more.
They didn't go nearly so quick in the Tingle Creek, but I don't think that flattered the winner, who stays 2m5f.
Jonbon has probably run to his mark, but the winner was far too good.
I don't think L'Eau Sud has run his race.
Many may passionately disagree with all this - that's fine, I really don't care, because that's as much as I can be bothered to think about the race tbh - these Grade 1s are analysed to death and time agonising over whether a 5/2 shot should be 11/4 or 9/4 is time that could be better spent on figuring where the value is in the December Gold Cup next week.
